About this episode

The episode discusses moving beyond traditional education metrics to a more comprehensive understanding of learner capabilities.

In this episode of No Such Thing , I talk with Laura Slover, Managing Director of the Skills for the Future initiative—a joint effort by ETS and the Carnegie Foundation. We explore what it means to move beyond the century-old Carnegie Unit and toward a system that captures the full spectrum of what learners know and can do. From internships to outdoor leadership, from dashboards to transcripts that actually reflect growth—this conversation is for anyone thinking about how we build a more human, equitable, and future-ready education system. Links: Sasha Bruce Youthwork https://www.sashabruce.org/ https://aschoolwithoutwalls.org/ https://www.hightechhigh.org/ ETS's official Skills for the Future page – This outlines the initiative’s goals, including competency-based learning and skill recognition, backed by ETS’s expertise in educational measurement. Carnegie Foundation’s Skills for the Future initiative – A deep dive into how the program is shifting education from time-based to competency-based learning, with a focus on essential skills beyond traditional academics. Indiana State Board of Education report – A detailed research paper discussing the transition from time-based…

People in this episode

Host: Marc Lesser

Guest: Laura Slover

Topics covered

• competency-based learning
• education reform
• skills assessment
• equitable education
• future-ready education

Keywords

• Carnegie Unit
• internships
• outdoor leadership
• transcripts
• educational measurement
• skill recognition
• modern assessment

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: ETS, Carnegie Foundation, Sasha Bruce Youthwork, A School Without Walls, High Tech High, Indiana State Board of Education

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