
456. High Conflict with Amanda Ripley
From Psychologists Off the Clock by Debbie Sorensen, Jill Stoddard, Yael Schonbrun, Michael Herold & Emily Edlynn
April 21, 2026 · 55 min · Episode 456
About this episode
Yael Schonbrun interviews Amanda Ripley about her book on high conflict and how to navigate it effectively.
Being absolutely sure you’re right should settle an argument, but somehow, it often does the opposite. Instead, things escalate, tensions rise, and before you know it, the conflict has taken on a life of its own. For this episode, Yael welcomes New York Times bestselling author, trained mediator, and Good Conflict co-founder Amanda Ripley to unpack her book High Conflict: Why We Get Trapped, and How We Get Out , and the difference between “good conflict” that strengthens us and “high conflict” that feeds on contempt, disgust, and rigid us-versus-them thinking. You’ll hear why high conflict makes us more error-prone while feeling more righteous, how group belonging and media incentives can keep the cycle going, and practical ways to interrupt the pattern like Gary Freeman’s three-question pause before speaking. Listen to learn how to stay in the fight without losing nuance, curiosity, or yourself. Listen and Learn: The distinction between healthy conflict that helps you grow and the kind that quietly turns destructive in ways you may not notice Why conflicts can quietly take over our thinking, shifting us into an us-versus-them mindset Why do we get…
People in this episode
Host: Yael Schonbrun
Guest: Amanda Ripley
Topics covered
- conflict resolution
- high conflict
- good conflict
- communication
- mental health
Keywords
- high conflict
- good conflict
- conflict resolution
- communication strategies
- mental health
Mentioned in this episode
Books & works: High Conflict: Why We Get Trapped, and How We Get Out
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