468. Joyful and Impactful Climate Choices with Elizabeth Dunn and Jiaying Zhao
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Debbie discusses joyful and impactful climate choices with Elizabeth Dunn and Jiaying Zhao, emphasizing the importance of positive messaging in environmental action.
Sometimes saving the planet can feel like a massive, exhausting guilt trip. In this episode, Debbie sits down with University of British Columbia professors Elizabeth Dunn and Jiaying Zhao to talk about their book, Leave the Lights On: How Joyful Decisions Can Save Our Species . Their main point is about the whole "you must be perfect" climate messaging is totally backfiring, and focusing on joyful, high-impact changes is actually what keeps people motivated. Jiaying breaks down a massive 63-country study showing how scare tactics just make people want to shut down, and the duo debunks some common eco-myths. It turns out that obsessing over turning off the lights or choosing the perfect reusable bag doesn't move the needle much. Instead, they shout out smarter, high-leverage moves like treating beef and lamb as occasional splurges, eating more plants, and traveling lighter. They also get into how to influence the people around you by making sustainable choices easy, attractive, and non-political, proving that individual habits and big systemic changes (like voting) both matter. Listen and Learn: How "doom and gloom" climate messaging actually backfires by…
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