Conflict as a Tool for Growth (Esther Perel)

Conflict as a Tool for Growth (Esther Perel)

July 9, 2026 · 55 min · Episode 302

About this episode

Elise Loehnen discusses the role of conflict in relationships with therapist Esther Perel.

I believe this is the most-listened-to episode ever on Pulling the Thread. It’s a conversation that I had with therapist Esther Perel in 2023 that still stands to this day—but that’s Esther for you. I think it also highlights how difficult it remains for many of us to get comfortable with conflict in our relationships, and to disagree and even fight, productively, with someone else. Whether you tend to avoid friction or go up in flames—or have a partner who does one or the other—I think you’ll find Esther’s framing compelling. For the show notes, head to my website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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