210. Leading in Chaos: Healing, Awakening, and the Next Evolution of Leadership with Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni
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The episode explores the intersection of leadership, healing, and culture change in chaotic times with insights from Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni.
What if the leadership needed for these chaotic times is not simply about better strategy, but about healing what has been left unattended in ourselves, our organizations, and our world? In this profound episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni, co-authors of the new book Leading in Chaos . Together, they bring decades of experience working with CEOs, senior teams, Fortune 500 companies, and global organizations at the intersection of leadership, culture change, human development, and consciousness. This was not a conventional conversation about leadership. From the beginning, we entered a relational field that felt alive, thoughtful, and deeply emergent. Amy and Nicholas do not simply speak about presence, healing, awakening, and coherence. They embody it. And that embodiment shaped the whole conversation. Together, we explored what it means to lead in dark and chaotic times, why trauma-informed leadership matters, and how the inner life of a leader is no longer separate from the work of culture change. We also spoke about “next practice,” spiritual intelligence, AI and the human future of work, and the shift from…
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