Paul Merriman and Rick Ferri: A Conversation Decades in the Making

Paul Merriman and Rick Ferri: A Conversation Decades in the Making

From Sound Investing by Paul Merriman

August 19, 2026 · 1h 33m

About this episode

Paul Merriman and Rick Ferri engage in a deep conversation about investment strategies, particularly focusing on small cap value and the implications of different approaches to investing.

Watch the video here. Paul sits down with Rick Ferri — not for a debate, but for the kind of honest conversation two people can only have after spending their careers chasing the same goal from different directions. Rick makes the case against tilting: the small cap premium largely disappeared once the research went public around 1980, and he believes value stopped working around 2006. Paul counters with Table G1b, which shows the results of blending small cap value and the S&P 500 in 10% increments from 1970 through 2025 — returns alongside the worst drawdowns each combination had to survive. Then Rick does something unexpected — he crosses to Paul's side of the table and builds a strong argument for small cap value, framing it as a way to capture the return of private companies that represent half of the economy. Where they land is less about who's right than what it costs to be wrong. If you go down the factor road, Rick says, it's a lifetime commitment — not three years. Also covered: lump sum versus dollar cost averaging, what an hourly advisor can do to help do-it-yourself investors implement their new portfolio, the new Trump accounts for newborns, and why VT may not…

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