The Dance of Exile & Settlement: Bayo Akomolafe

The Dance of Exile & Settlement: Bayo Akomolafe

From Sounds of SAND by Science and Nonduality

August 27, 2026 · 1h 27m

About this episode

Dr. Bayo Akomolafe discusses themes of healing, decolonization, and cultural identity in a comprehensive interview.

Full interview with Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, recorded by SAND founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. Edited portions appear in The Eternal Song ; this is the whole conversation. Bayo moves from his childhood in Lagos to the Orisha who wanted only to travel, from the psychologist's couch he calls too small a space for healing, to the nets slave ship captains strung along their hulls to stop people from jumping. Along the way: why decolonization isn't individual work, why wellness might be a net rather than a cure, what a monster does to a world that's stuck, and the story of a dried African lake whose dust still feeds the Amazon. Topics 00:00:00 — Introduction 00:12:00 — A recovering psychologist 00:18:30 — The plurality of healing 00:28:00 — The one world worldview 00:36:00 — Addiction, sleeplessness, and dreaming 00:40:30 — Decolonization, monsters, and the cracks 00:53:00 — Intergenerational trauma 00:57:00 — Wellness, and the nets on the slave ship 01:04:30 — Captivity is never total 01:08:00 — Arriving on shore 01:11:00 — Artificial intelligence 01:18:00 — The collapse of modernity, and dead bones Bayo Akomolafe Yoruba philosopher, psychologist, poet, and writer. Founder and…

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Hosts: Zaya Benazzo, Maurizio Benazzo

Guest: Bayo Akomolafe

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Organizations: Science and Nonduality, The Emergence Network

Books & works: The Eternal Song

Places: Lagos, Amazon

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