Eric Ries on why "bad governance" outperforms, the case against shareholder primacy, and AI's Chernobyl moment

Eric Ries on why "bad governance" outperforms, the case against shareholder primacy, and AI's Chernobyl moment

April 14, 2026 · 59 min

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Eric Ries discusses the performance of companies with bad governance, the case against shareholder primacy, and the implications of AI.

Eric Ries created the Lean Startup methodology and authored the bestselling book of the same name, which has sold over a million copies. He's also the founder and executive chairman of the Long-Term Stock Exchange, the co-founder of Answer AI (an AI R&D lab), and the author of the upcoming book Incorruptible, releasing May 26th. In this episode of Summation, Eric and Auren discuss: why "bad governance" companies have outperformed "good governance" since 2008financial gravity - the invisib...

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Host: Auren Hoffman

Guest: Eric Ries

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Organizations: Long-Term Stock Exchange, Answer AI

Books & works: Incorruptible, Lean Startup

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