About this episode

Thomas Kinsella discusses the implications of ungoverned AI and how CIOs can manage the rise of 'wild code' in enterprises.

When AI makes everyone a software builder, who governs what gets built? In this episode of Technovation, Peter High speaks with Thomas Kinsella, Co-Founder and COO of Tines, about the rise of “wild code”: invisible and ungoverned agents, automations, scripts, and workflows spreading across the enterprise. Kinsella explores how CIOs can encourage AI experimentation while creating the visibility, security, and controls required at scale. Key topics include: How “wild code” is changing enterprise AI governance Why governed AI needs a productive “paved path” When deterministic automation beats AI agents Where human judgment belongs in intelligent workflows How workflows can evolve based on real-world decisions This episode is presented by ElevenLabs — Bringing technology to life. Learn more at elevenlabs.io This episode is also presented by Retool — Build internal software better, with AI. Learn more at retool.com

People in this episode

Host: Peter High

Guest: Thomas Kinsella

Topics covered

• AI governance
• wild code
• enterprise automation
• CIO strategies
• AI experimentation
• workflow management

Sponsors

ElevenLabs, Retool

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Tines

More episodes of Technovation with Peter High (CIO, CTO, CDO, CXO Interviews)

• Maximus CDIO Derrick Pledger on Putting Business Value Before AI · September 3, 2026 · 47 min
• Mouli Venkatesan on AI, Interoperability, and Connecting Healthcare at Scale · August 31, 2026 · 37 min
• Matt Witheiler on Why Great Companies Don’t Have to Be AI Companies · August 28, 2026 · 38 min
• Nikhil Narvekar on Driving Bottom-Line Value with AI at Graphic Packaging · August 27, 2026 · 24 min
• Simplify First, Scale AI Next with Vulcan Materials CIO Krzysztof Soltan · August 24, 2026 · 36 min
• Aetna’s Nathan Frank on Scaling AI to Give Healthcare Workers Time Back · August 20, 2026 · 38 min

Explore listener stats, chart rankings, contacts and more on the Technovation with Peter High (CIO, CTO, CDO, CXO Interviews) podcast page.