64. Avoiding a sixth mass extinction is a weak case for conservation (John Wiens)

64. Avoiding a sixth mass extinction is a weak case for conservation (John Wiens)

February 27, 2026 · 40 min

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The episode discusses the implications of the term 'sixth mass extinction' and examines the data supporting biodiversity loss and climate change effects on species extinction.

Biodiversity loss is an ongoing challenge, but some of the language we use to describe it may be on shakier ground than we realize. Are we really living through a “sixth mass extinction”? What does that phrase technically imply, and how well is it supported by the data? And what about climate change: how much species-level extinction can credibly be attributed to warming so far, and how do you attribute causes when multiple threats interact? To explore these questions, I spoke with John Wiens...

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