Beyond Coping Skills The 5 Ways to Change the Root Cause of Mental Illness w/ Antonio Pascual-Leone

Beyond Coping Skills The 5 Ways to Change the Root Cause of Mental Illness w/ Antonio Pascual-Leone

From the Informed Simplicity podcast by jocrharris

April 3, 2026 · 1h 4m · Episode 103

About this episode

Dr. Antonio Pascual-Leone discusses the five types of changes in therapy and their applications.

Dr. Antonio Pascual-Leone is an expert on change. He's spent over a 10 years studying how change happens across different therapy models. Turns out there are only 5 types of changes. Down regulation Emotional awareness Deeping emotion to make new meaning, Changing emotion and Cognitive reframing. Therapists often get stuck when clients need one type of change (i.e. emotional awareness) but a therapist is using a model which specializes in another type of change (ie cognitive reframing). In this interview we discuss the 5 types of change, talk about when to use them, and more importantly when NOT to use them. Jordan Harris, Ph.D., LMFT-S, LPC-S, received his Doctor of Philosophy in Marriage and Family Therapy from the University of Louisiana Monroe. He is a licensed professional counselor and a licensed marriage and family therapist in the state of Arkansas, USA. In his clinical work, he enjoys working with couples. He also runs a blog on deliberate practice for therapists and counselors at Jordanthecounselor.com You can find him on linkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-harris-lpc-s-lmft-s-418412301/ Antonio Pascual-Leone is a clinician psychologist and full professor in…

People in this episode

Host: Jordan Harris

Guest: Antonio Pascual-Leone

Topics covered

  • mental illness
  • therapy models
  • emotional change
  • cognitive reframing
  • psychology

Keywords

  • mental illness
  • therapy
  • emotional awareness
  • cognitive reframing
  • psychology

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: University of Windsor, University of Lausanne, Jordanthecounselor.com

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