After Iran: Is Erdogan’s Turkey the Middle East’s Next Great Threat? (feat. Steven A. Cook and Jonathan Schanzer)

After Iran: Is Erdogan’s Turkey the Middle East’s Next Great Threat? (feat. Steven A. Cook and Jonathan Schanzer)

August 20, 2026 · 1h 2m

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The episode discusses the potential rise of Turkey as a major power in the Middle East following Iran's decline, featuring insights from experts on the region.

For decades, Washington and Jerusalem worried about Iran dominating the Middle East. But as the Islamic Republic weakens, is Erdogan’s Turkey positioning itself to become the region’s next great revisionist power? Mark Dubowitz is joined by two Turkey and Middle East experts: Steven A. Cook , the Eni Enrico Mattei Senior Fellow for Middle East and Africa Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations and Jonathan Schanzer , executive director at FDD. They discuss Erdogan’s ambitions, Turkey’s growing confrontation with Israel in Syria, Ankara’s support for Hamas, its complicated relationship with Tehran, its future in NATO—and whether Turkey could eventually pursue nuclear weapons. The central question: As Iran declines, is Turkey the next big Islamist threat?

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Host: Mark Dubowitz

Guests: Steven A. Cook, Jonathan Schanzer

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Organizations: Council on Foreign Relations, FDD

Places: Turkey, Iran, Israel, Syria, NATO

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