
Defense Wins Championships, with Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell
From The Ledger Podcast by Ledger
November 14, 2025 · 41 min
About this episode
This episode features Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell discussing their impactful move to France and its implications for Australian rugby and digital ownership.
On this special episode of the Ledger Podcast, recorded live at Ledger Op3n in Paris, Head of Brand Development Mo EL-SAYED sits down with two Australian Rugby legends, Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell (co-hosts of Kick Offs and Kick Ons and our new Australian Ambassadors). This episode is all about value, risk, and rewriting the rules. Matt and Drew share the story of their game-changing move to France in 2011—a move that fundamentally altered the landscape of Australian rugby and led to the creation of the famous Giteau Law. They discuss how that spirit of taking control, betting on yourself, and proving your value on your own terms mirrors the ethos of digital ownership. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
People in this episode
Host: Mo EL-SAYED
Guests: Matt Giteau, Drew Mitchell
Topics covered
- rugby
- digital ownership
- value
- risk
- Australian sports
- Giteau Law
Keywords
- rugby
- Giteau Law
- digital ownership
- Australia
- sports
- risk
- value
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Ledger
Books & works: Giteau Law
Places: France, Australia
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