Defense Wins Championships, with Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell

Defense Wins Championships, with Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell

From The Ledger Podcast by Ledger

November 14, 2025 · 41 min

About this episode

This episode features Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell discussing their impactful move to France and its implications for Australian rugby and digital ownership.

On this special episode of the Ledger Podcast, recorded live at Ledger Op3n in Paris, Head of Brand Development Mo EL-SAYED sits down with two Australian Rugby legends, Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell (co-hosts of Kick Offs and Kick Ons and our new Australian Ambassadors). This episode is all about value, risk, and rewriting the rules. Matt and Drew share the story of their game-changing move to France in 2011—a move that fundamentally altered the landscape of Australian rugby and led to the creation of the famous Giteau Law. They discuss how that spirit of taking control, betting on yourself, and proving your value on your own terms mirrors the ethos of digital ownership. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

People in this episode

Host: Mo EL-SAYED

Guests: Matt Giteau, Drew Mitchell

Topics covered

  • rugby
  • digital ownership
  • value
  • risk
  • Australian sports
  • Giteau Law

Keywords

  • rugby
  • Giteau Law
  • digital ownership
  • Australia
  • sports
  • risk
  • value

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Ledger

Books & works: Giteau Law

Places: France, Australia

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