#77 John Dear in conversation with Zoughbi Zoughbi of Bethlehem, Palestine: "The West Bank is a prison, Gaza is a concentration camp."

#77 John Dear in conversation with Zoughbi Zoughbi of Bethlehem, Palestine: "The West Bank is a prison, Gaza is a concentration camp."

June 22, 2026 · 39 min · Season 2 · Episode 77

About this episode

Fr. John Dear interviews Zoughbi Zoughbi about the struggles and activism in Palestine.

Today I speak with one of the great peacemakers of our time, my friend Zoughbi Zoughbi of Bethlehem, Palestine. Zoughbi is a lifelong Catholic Palestinian activist, organizer and teacher of Gospel nonviolence. Long ago he founded the Wi’am Center, the Palestinian Conflict Transformation Center in the center of Bethlehem. Wi'am is widely recognized as a place of nonviolent conflict resolution that helps Palestinians in the day to day struggle for justice and peace ( www.alaslah.org ) For the last few years, he has also served as the president of the International Fellowship of Reconciliation, which is the oldest peace group in the world ( www.ifor.org ). Whenever you think you are working too hard for justice and peace, remember Zoughbi! “This is the first time in history that Bethlehem and Jerusalem are separated, that you cannot travel between them,” he says . “We are living in reservations, separated from each other. Bethlehem is becoming a smaller reservation surrounded by 23 settlements and many outposts. The West Bank is a prison; Gaza is a concentration camp. Every day, we see more prisoners, houses being demolished, state violence, settler violence, environmental violence…

People in this episode

Host: Fr. John Dear

Guest: Zoughbi Zoughbi

Topics covered

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Wi’am Center, International Fellowship of Reconciliation

Places: Bethlehem, Palestine, Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem

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