#78. John Dear with theologian/author/activist Lisa Sharon Harper: "We were three floors below ground, it was hot and the walls and floor were covered with roaches."

#78. John Dear with theologian/author/activist Lisa Sharon Harper: "We were three floors below ground, it was hot and the walls and floor were covered with roaches."

June 29, 2026 · 41 min · Season 2 · Episode 78

About this episode

Fr. John Dear interviews theologian and activist Lisa Sharon Harper about social injustice and hope amidst grief.

Today I speak with my friend Lisa Sharon Harper. Lisa is a theologian, speaker, author, activist and trainer who has worked in Ferguson and Charlottesville, as well as South Africa, Brazil, Australia, Ireland and across the U.S. Her 2022 book, Fortune: How Race Broke My Family And The World--And How To Repair It All, was named “Book of the Year” by Word and Way. Her 2016 book, The Very Good Gospel, was named “Book of the Year” by the Englewood Review of Books. After her leadership at Sojourners magazine, she founded Freedom Road , where she is the host of its podcast and column on Substack. The Huffington Post named her one of 50 Women Religious Leaders to Celebrate on International Women’s Day. (See: ) When I asked her about these days of social injustice, white supremacy and permanent warmaking under Trump, she spoke of crying every die . “I actually have hope but I'm grieving like the rest of the country ,” she said. “I cry because of the Church's silence during the Obama era and back to the 70s/80s during the rise of the religious right. People didn't know what was right, just and Jesus's way…Evil is embedded in the Constitution and in the 3/4 compromise. I grieve for our…

People in this episode

Host: Fr. John Dear

Guest: Lisa Sharon Harper

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Organizations: Sojourners, Freedom Road

Books & works: Fortune: How Race Broke My Family And The World--And How To Repair It All, The Very Good Gospel

Places: Ferguson, Charlottesville, South Africa, Brazil, Australia, Ireland, U.S.

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