The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes

The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes

March 17, 2026 · 1h 29m

About this episode

Margo Hayes discusses her climbing achievements, health challenges, and new book while the hosts explore a tragic mountaineering case.

Margo Hayes is a professional climber, model, musician, and artist — and she’s best known as the first woman to climb 5.15a, a grade she reached not just once, but three times: La Rambla, Biographie, and Papichulo. In recent years, a battle with Lyme disease has made climbing at her limit difficult, and she’s channeled her energy into art, music, and writing. Her new book,  The Margo Method , outlines her approach to climbing and health. But first, we pore over the details of a very interesting, precedent-setting case involving a manslaughter conviction after a winter mountaineering ascent turns tragic.  Our final bit is a San Diego rock band called Half Hour Late, with their song Ain’t Nothing New. Show Notes Follow Margo Hayes:  https://www.instagram.com/margojain/ “The Margo Method: Strong and Soft”:  https://margohayes.com/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft Margo’s music: “Notes To You”:  https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/margojain/notes-to-you Austrian Man Found Guilty in Girlfriend’s Death on Mountain Hike:&#160…

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