Seizing the means of messenger production
From The Stack Overflow Podcast by The Stack Overflow Podcast
April 3, 2026 · 29 min · Episode 933
About this episode
Ryan discusses calm computing and data ownership with Galen Wolfe-Pauly, CEO of Tlon.
Ryan sits down with Galen Wolfe-Pauly, CEO of Tlon, to chat about calm computing and how humans can take back ownership of their data and digital world. They discuss the early internet’s evolution from individual creativity into today’s internet that turns users into products, Galen’s takeaways from building a new network architecture that prioritizes user control, and why messenger applications are ripe for decentralization. Episode notes: Tlon is releasing a decentralized messenger app that gives you ownership of your data, built on Urbit , a complete, wholly encapsulated system that allows you to run a personal server in the cloud. Use the code STACK to skip the waitlist for the Tlon Messenger app. Connect with Galen on LinkedIn . Shoutout to user mkobuolys for winning a Populist badge for their answer to Set default transition for go_router in Flutter . TRANSCRIPT See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .
People in this episode
Host: Ryan
Guest: Galen Wolfe-Pauly
Topics covered
- calm computing
- data ownership
- decentralization
- messenger applications
- internet evolution
Keywords
- calm computing
- data ownership
- decentralization
- messenger app
- Tlon
- Urbit
- internet evolution
Sponsors
Tlon
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Tlon, Urbit, Stack Overflow
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