467. Industrial Policy by Other Means (ft. Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldstein)

467. Industrial Policy by Other Means (ft. Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldstein)

July 24, 2026 · 1h 25m

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The episode discusses the indirect and inconsistent ways the US engages in industrial policy for AI development with guests Matt Haugen and Jesse Goldstein.

We chat with Matt Haugen and Jesse Goldstein from the Climate + Community Institute about a new report they co-authored laying out how the US is engaging in industrial policy for AI development in ways that are often indirect, inconsistent, and interpersonal, but ultimately are configured around supporting a specific configuration of (venture) capitalist strategy for intensive, rapid development, all while making political economic choices that prioritize anti-social infrastructure over social well-being and environmental protections. ••• AI First: How the Federal Government is Prioritizing AI Over People and Planet https://stopgreedbuildgreen.climateandcommunity.org/posts/ai-first ••• Honey, We Need To Talk About Venture Socialism https://www.butthistime.com/p/honey-we-need-to-talk-about-venture-5cb Standing Plugs: ••• Order Jathan’s book: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520398078/the-mechanic-and-the-luddite ••• Subscribe to Ed’s substack: https://substack.com/@thetechbubble ••• Subscribe to TMK on patreon for premium episodes: https://www.patreon.com/thismachinekills Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (bsky.app/profile/jathansadowski.com) and Edward Ongweso Jr…

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Hosts: Jathan Sadowski, Edward Ongweso Jr.

Guests: Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldstein

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Organizations: Climate + Community Institute, Federal Government

Products: Jathan’s book

Books & works: AI First: How the Federal Government is Prioritizing AI Over People and Planet, Honey, We Need To Talk About Venture Socialism

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