Is open source AI really ahead of the frontier? 3 builders weigh in. | E25

Is open source AI really ahead of the frontier? 3 builders weigh in. | E25

August 6, 2026 · 1h 20m · Episode 25

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The episode discusses the competition between Chinese and US AI models, featuring insights from three industry builders.

This Week In Startups is made possible by: PAYPAL OPEN Today’s show: China’s Alibaba just dropped a 2.4 trillion parameter open weight model that the company claims only trails Anthropic’s flagship among the major frontier rivals. Of course, this happened the very same week that the US government appears to have backed off from banning these models stateside entirely. Are these models anywhere close to actually catching up to the latest and greatest releases from US labs like Anthropic and OpenAI? Really seems to depend on who you ask. (Even long time friends JCal and Elon Musk can’t see eye to eye on it.) So on TWiAI Ep 25, we welcomed on Poolside AI CTO Eiso Kant, EXO Labs co-founder Alex Cheema, and Qloo founder Alex Elias to break down just how close Chinese labs are to catching up with the biggest and best models… and how long it will take US open weight builders to catch up. PLUS we explore the cutting edge of AI-powered baby sleep monitors, consider Hank Green’s public AI apology, and dig into sci-fi author Ursula K. LeGuin’s “hand-mind” thesis. Guests: Eiso Kant on X: https://x.com/eisokant Poolside: https://poolside.ai/ Alex Elias on X: https://x.com/ape Qloo…

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