About this episode

Ian Morgan Cron revisits his powerful conversation with Jen Hatmaker about her life changes and insights following her marriage's end.

What happens when the life you built—carefully, faithfully, and very publicly—splits down the middle in a single night? This week on Typology , we're revisiting one of the most powerful conversations we've had on the show—a replay of my interview with bestselling author and cultural truth-teller Jen Hatmaker. Jen, an Enneagram Three with a courageous edge that sometimes looks a lot like an Eight, joined me to talk about her memoir Awake and the "before-and-after date" that changed everything—July 11, 2020— when her 26-year marriage ended and the life she knew cracked wide open. In this conversation, we explore what it means to wake up in midlife: to grief and betrayal, to shedding scripts you never consciously chose, to loosening your grip on approval, and to discovering what actually matters in the second half of life. We also dig into how Threes navigate identity, success, and failure—especially when life refuses to follow the plan. Jen shares how therapy, embodiment work, and radical honesty helped her rebuild—not for optics, but for something sturdier and truer. If you're in a season of change—or if life has recently pulled the rug out from under you—this episode still hits…

People in this episode

Guest: Jen Hatmaker

Topics covered

• grief
• betrayal
• identity
• success
• failure
• midlife
• Enneagram

Keywords

• Awake
• therapy
• embodiment work
• radical honesty

Mentioned in this episode

Products: an Enneagram Three, Almond Joy, Awake

Books & works: Awake, Threes, For the Love, AWAKE: A Memoir

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