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Scott Brinker discusses the evolving landscape of martech and the implications of data ownership and AI on the industry.

The two moats that made enterprise martech defensible — owning the data and charging per seat — are cracking at the same time. Scott Brinker, creator of the martech landscape and VP of Platform Ecosystem at HubSpot, explains why the CRM/CDP data moat just got weak, what "systems of context" are, and where the next big companies get built. This episode is brought to you by Stifel Bank — trusted banking and venture debt partner for Sierra Ventures' portfolio. Learn more at stifel.com. Chapters: (0:00) Cold open: "Prompt engineering? That's so 2024" (1:07) From 150 tools to 14,000: why Scott mapped martech (3:28) Systems of context — and why the CDP never delivered (8:02) The three-layer martech stack, explained (12:10) What "context" actually means for AI agents (16:10) AI SDRs and the rise of "context graphs" (23:13) Why the CRM and CDP data moat just got weak (32:46) Incumbents vs. startups: who wins the context layer (36:46) AEO, agentic commerce, and the new buyer journey (53:52) Will AI agents kill seat-based pricing? Where to find Scott Brinker: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjbrinker Website: chiefmartec.com

People in this episode

Guest: Scott Brinker

Topics covered

• martech
• data ownership
• CRM
• CDP
• AI
• context layers
• entrepreneurship

Keywords

• martech landscape
• data moat
• systems of context
• AI agents
• context graphs
• seat-based pricing
• enterprise software

Sponsors

Stifel Bank

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: HubSpot, Sierra Ventures, chiefmartec

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