Ep 183. Trump Visits China, the world order is broken - With Leslie Vinjamuri

About this episode

The episode discusses the state of the international order, Trump's visit to China, and the political dynamics in the UK and US.

This week on Disorder, in a slight break from the Mayhem in the UK over the possible Leadership challenge to Starmer, Jane catches up with the President and CEO of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and host of the Deep Dish podcast, Leslie Vinjamuri. Leslie and Jane used to work together at Chatham House. They start by discussing Leslie’s final project for Chatham House where she worked with a host of experts to analyse how rising powers, middle powers and US adversaries see the international order as well as new possible ideas of global Order. Surprise, surprise mega-orderers, the conversation proves the depressing result that we already know! -- i.e. that there are no serious alternative visions of order that are emerging and no non-neo-populists are putting forth compressive visions of global order. Will the continuance of the Enduring Disorder therefore be the hallmark of our times? Probably yes :-< On a brighter note, Leslie thinks the US will revert to a more “normal” politics in Trump’s wake. Jane is not so sure: she and Leslie discuss why the UK hasn’t been able to “get back to normal” under Keir Starmer and how the breakdown of the political centre is making it…

People in this episode

Host: Jane

Guest: Leslie Vinjamuri

Topics covered

• international order
• US politics
• China relations
• global governance
• UK leadership
• political centre

Keywords

• Trump
• China
• international order
• Leslie Vinjamuri
• UK politics
• Keir Starmer
• global governance

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Chicago Council on Global Affairs, Chatham House

Places: China, UK

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