What if the lessons that look most like play are actually the most serious teaching happening in your school? with Shahneila Saeed

What if the lessons that look most like play are actually the most serious teaching happening in your school? with Shahneila Saeed

June 22, 2026 · 45 min · Season 3 · Episode 349

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The episode explores the significance of play in education and how it can be a serious form of pedagogy.

In this episode of the Edufuturists podcast, Ben and Steve sit down with Shahneila Saeed for an extended version of a conversation that began at the Brilliant Festival. They dig into why play-based learning is rigorous pedagogy, how computing can be taught without a single computer, and what the games industry can teach the classroom about preparing young people for the world as it actually is. Shahneila Saeed is Head of Education at Ukie, the trade association for the UK's video games industry, and the founder and director of the Digital Schoolhouse programme. A former IT and computing teacher, she is also the author of How to Raise a Tech Genius. We cover: Why play is serious pedagogy, not a break from real learning How "Just Dance with the Algorithm" teaches programming concepts through dance Teaching in-game AI with nothing more than a playground and some beach balls The classroom with no computers that reshaped Shahneila's entire approach Motivation, failure, and the problem with the GCSE "finish line" Whether schools are really preparing children for the jobs that exist right now What industry actually says about the skills graduates are missing Game IP…

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