About this episode

The episode features an interview with Jeff Strong and Joseph Grenny discussing the reasons behind people leaving the Church and how to communicate effectively about faith transitions.

Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family. Joseph Grenny is a lifelong student of social science whose writings are references in major universities around the world. He is a New York Times bestselling author of eight books, including leadership, influence and communication classics Crucial Conversations , Influencer , Crucial Accountability , and Change Anything . His books are available in over 30 languages and have sold over six…

People in this episode

Guests: Jeff Strong, Joseph Grenny

Topics covered

• church attendance
• faith transitions
• social science
• leadership
• communication
• research

Keywords

• church
• faith
• communication
• leadership
• research
• social science
• transition
• Latter-day Saints

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Brigham Young University, Unitus Labs, The Other Side Academy

Places: Midway, Utah

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