Business beyond profit

Business beyond profit

March 18, 2026 · 25 min · Season 2 · Episode 188

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Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss building a company focused on independence rather than endless growth.

Profit matters, but it’s not the whole story. In this episode, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about building a company around independence instead of endless growth. They reflect on finding the right size for a business, keeping costs low to preserve freedom, and choosing a long, sustainable run over chasing scale at any cost. Key Takeaways 00:10 – Finding your “orbit” when you don’t need to keep pushing for more03:39 – Letting go of the idea that growth has to be endless09:05 ...

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