About this episode

Brené Brown and Adam Grant discuss time scarcity, leadership qualities, and the concept of pocket presence in this episode.

Previously released on Dare to Lead, this is part of a special six-part series with Adam Grant on Brené's book, Strong Ground. The conversation opens on time scarcity, the devaluation of future time, and whether hope is actually a strategy. From there they discuss how great leaders don't need all the right answers (just the right questions) and the difference between executive presence and pocket presence. While digging into how the five C's of delegation build the situational awareness and critical thinking that pocket presence requires, Adam has a breakthrough realization that pocket presence isn't just an individual skill, it's a collective capability. Executive presence, they agree, is "party of one." Resource Slack and Propensity to Discount Delayed Investments of Time Versus Money – Gal Zauberman, 2004, Journal of Experimental Psychology Time for Happiness – Ashley Whillans, 2019, Harvard Business Review Can We Afford to be Time Poor? The Hidden Tax of Time Poverty – Celestine Rosales, 2024, The Decision Lab The Will and the Ways – C. R. Snyder, 1991, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology Hope Theory: Rainbows in the Mind – C. R. Snyder, 2002, Psychological Inquiry…

People in this episode

Host: Brené Brown

Guest: Adam Grant

Topics covered

• time scarcity
• leadership
• delegation
• situational awareness
• collective capability
• executive presence
• pocket presence

Keywords

• time scarcity
• leadership
• pocket presence
• executive presence
• delegation
• situational awareness
• critical thinking
• hope theory

Mentioned in this episode

Books & works: Strong Ground, Dare to Lead, Time for Happiness, Can We Afford to be Time Poor? The Hidden Tax of Time Poverty, The Will and the Ways, Hope Theory: Rainbows in the Mind, Golden Eggs and Hyperbolic Discounting, Some Empirical Evidence on Dynamic Inconsistency, Future Self-Continuity: How Conceptions of the Future Self Transform Intertemporal Choice

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