Why Physical Retail Isn't Going Away

Why Physical Retail Isn't Going Away

June 17, 2026 · 1h 7m · Episode 119

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Kyle Matthews interviews Jodie McLean about her journey in retail real estate and the future of physical retail.

In this episode of the Matthews Mentality Podcast, Kyle Matthews sits down with Jodie McLean, CEO of EDENS, one of the nation’s largest privately held owners, operators, and developers of open-air retail and mixed-use destinations. Jodie’s journey is anything but conventional. She joined EDENS as a financial analyst fresh out of college and spent more than three decades helping transform the company into a real estate powerhouse with a portfolio that serves millions of people every day. Along the way, she became one of the most respected leaders in commercial real estate, served as Chair of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, and helped redefine what retail real estate can be in a rapidly changing world. Kyle and Jodie discuss leadership, mentorship, career longevity, the future of retail, artificial intelligence, community building, and the lessons learned from leading through economic cycles, e-commerce disruption, and changing consumer behavior. In this episode, you'll learn: • How Jodie rose from analyst to CEO after 36 years at one company • Why loyalty, impact, and long-term thinking still matter in today's business world • The leadership lessons that shaped EDENS'…

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Host: Kyle Matthews

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Organizations: EDENS, Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond

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