About this episode

Jim Lawler discusses the qualities of a top recruiter and shares insights from his CIA career, including significant cases and the importance of trust in intelligence.

25-year CIA case officer and author Jim Lawler on the ten qualities of a top recruiter, the A.Q. Khan takedown, the Hanssen case, and why speaking truth to power matters more than ever. In this episode, host Lauren Anderson turns the tables on co-host Jim Lawler, a 25-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine service and the officer who led the takedown of the A.Q. Khan nuclear smuggling network, an operation that former deputy CIA director John McLaughlin called "the closest thing to a perfect intelligence operation." Lawler shares how a chance interview with a CIA recruiter in 1976 led him to a career he loved. He reveals the qualities of a top recruiter — curiosity, listening, extreme empathy, patience, persistence, creativity, ruthlessness, and even what he calls "the metaphysics" — and tells the story of his first recruitment: a deputy chief of mission who initially rejected him, then came back days later to say yes and provided stack of sensitive information. Lawler reflects on the Robert Hanssen case (which he calls "a sacred vow" broken), the erosion of trust inside intelligence agencies under the current administration, and why he still encourages young people to serve…

People in this episode

Host: Lauren Anderson

Guest: Jim Lawler

Topics covered

• espionage
• intelligence
• recruitment
• CIA
• trust
• national security

Keywords

• CIA
• recruiter
• espionage
• A.Q. Khan
• intelligence operations
• trust
• Hanssen case
• national security

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: CIA, A.Q. Khan

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