About this episode

Nicole Kalil discusses gender fairness in the workplace with Dr. David Smith and Dr. Brad Johnson, emphasizing the need for systemic change rather than solely focusing on women's issues.

For years, conversations about gender equity at work have been framed as a women's issue. But what if that's the wrong conversation entirely? What if the real challenge isn't fixing women so they can survive outdated systems—but fixing the systems themselves? In this episode, Nicole sits down with Dr. David Smith and Dr. Brad Johnson, co-authors of Fair Share: How Men and Women Can Create a More Equitable Workplace Together, to unpack what true gender fairness looks like in today's workplace. Together, they explore why gender equity benefits everyone, how outdated workplace norms are hurting both women and men, and what leaders can do to create workplaces where people can thrive professionally and personally. This conversation challenges zero-sum thinking, dismantles harmful workplace myths, and offers practical strategies for building more equitable organizations—without pitting one gender against another. In This Episode We Discuss: What gender fairness actually means—and why it's not the same as treating everyone exactly the same Why gender equity benefits men, women, organizations, and families The myth that gender fairness requires men to lose in order for women to win Why…

People in this episode

Host: Nicole Kalil

Guests: Dr. David Smith, Dr. Brad Johnson

Topics covered

• gender equity
• workplace fairness
• leadership responsibility
• inclusive workplaces
• caregiving support
• pay transparency

Keywords

• gender fairness
• equity
• workplace norms
• leadership
• career advancement
• flexibility
• myths

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Airwave Media

Books & works: Fair Share: How Men and Women Can Create a More Equitable Workplace Together

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