Doubt Digs Up the Whole Blue Planet | Chodo Robert Campbell

Doubt Digs Up the Whole Blue Planet | Chodo Robert Campbell

From Zencare Podcast by New York Zen Center

May 12, 2026 · 23 min

About this episode

Chodo Robert Campbell discusses the role of doubt in Zen practice and encourages embracing uncertainty as a path to self-discovery.

“The purpose of practice might be to enter the question so fully that it begins to reshape us.” What is the purpose of practice after all? In this talk on doubt and the practice of not-knowing, Chodo Sensei shares a teaching from his favorite Zen teacher: Zen Master Raven, the wise old bird from Robert Aitken Roshi's animal sangha stories. When Badger asks what the purpose of practice is, Raven doesn't answer directly. Instead, he asks: “Do you have an inkling?” When Badger hesitates and says “I'm not sure,” Raven responds: “Doubts dig up the whole blue planet.” Rather than treating doubt as something to overcome or push away, Chodo invites us to embrace it. Can you live with the doubt? Can you doubt the doubt? Can you feel it in the body rather than trying to answer it from the head? The talk and teaching is about letting doubt do its work of digging, of opening, of uncovering what's been with us all along, waiting for us to stop long enough to feel it.

People in this episode

Guest: Chodo Robert Campbell

Topics covered

  • doubt
  • Zen practice
  • spiritual growth
  • not-knowing
  • self-discovery

Keywords

  • Zen
  • doubt
  • practice
  • spirituality
  • self-exploration
  • mindfulness

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