Ep 436 When Your Nervous System Is the Third Person in the Room w/Deborah Rozman, Ph.D. & Howard Martin

Ep 436 When Your Nervous System Is the Third Person in the Room w/Deborah Rozman, Ph.D. & Howard Martin

August 4, 2026 · 48 min

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Zach discusses the HeartMath approach to marriage and emotional coherence with Deborah Rozman and Howard Martin.

Zach sits down with Deborah Rozman, Ph.D. and Howard Martin, the married couple who have led HeartMath Institute since its founding in 1991. Zach came in curious after hearing his mentor Terry Real rave about HeartMath at a Relational Life Institute faculty meeting, and he opens the conversation admitting he still does not fully understand what it is or how it works. Howard and Deborah, who are married to each other and have built HeartMath's research and technology together for over three decades, walk him through it from both a science angle and a lived-in-a-marriage angle. The conversation moves from the physiology, heart rate variability, coherence, the connection between the physical and emotional heart, into a story about a couple named Tammy and Raynor who came to Deborah through the Dr. Phil Show on the edge of divorce and, after learning to get into a coherent state individually before talking to each other, fell back in love within a handful of sessions. Deborah also teaches a version of the Quick Coherence technique live on air. Howard, meanwhile, shares the three things he actually practices in his own marriage: looking at himself first instead of blaming Deborah…

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Host: Zach

Guests: Deborah Rozman, Ph.D., Howard Martin

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