About this episode

Zach discusses betrayal and healing in relationships with Adam and Judith Nisenson, who provide insights from their personal and professional experiences.

Zach sits down with Adam and Judith Nisenson, a husband and wife who both work in the betrayal space from opposite sides. Adam is known online as the betrayal shrink and works almost exclusively with men who have been cheated on. Judith works with women who have cheated, and hosts her own podcast, Women Cheat Too . They're four years into their second marriage together, and Zach opens by asking who they are as a couple before getting into the work. The conversation moves through their own story first: seven years of friendship before their first date, and Adam telling Judith he was all in before their first weekend together was even over. From there they get into the parts of betrayal that rarely get said out loud. Judith argues that women almost never cheat for sex itself, that it's usually a transactional stand in for validation and attention they aren't getting at home. Adam pushes back on the double standard that lets men off the hook for cheating while women who cheat get treated like the lowest part of the earth. They also talk candidly about their own healing: Judith describes losing her voice in her first marriage and slowly rebuilding it through yoga training and years…

People in this episode

Host: Zach

Guests: Adam Nisenson, Judith Nisenson

Topics covered

• betrayal
• cheating
• relationships
• validation
• healing

Keywords

• betrayal
• cheating
• relationships
• validation
• healing
• men
• women

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Women Cheat Too, Landmark Worldwide, Mankind Project

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