#19: Hope, Faith & the Courage to say God with Nele Zeeh and Deacon Shields

#19: Hope, Faith & the Courage to say God with Nele Zeeh and Deacon Shields

December 18, 2025 · 58 min · Season 2 · Episode 19

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The episode explores different perspectives on the concept of God and spirituality through the experiences of two guests.

In this episode of The Self Within , we’re diving into a word that many of us tiptoe around... God. Is it God with a big G tied to organized religion? Is it god as in “something greater than me”? Or do you prefer words like Universe, Source, Spirit, Mother Earth, the stars ? This episode features two guests from different walks of life: Nele Zeeh – former founder of World of Cacao, who spent years in new age and spiritual circles before an unexpected experience changed everything for her. Deacon Court Shields – a Catholic deacon from St. Teresa’s Parish in Harvard, MA, who has devoted his life to serving others through faith and community. Together, we explore: The idea of “Big G” vs “little g” and how language shapes our relationship with the divine Why so many modern spiritual seekers say Universe or Source instead of God Nele’s story of moving from endless seeking and “new age” practices into a grounded, personal relationship with God How community, belonging, doubt, and courage all play into whether we feel safe using the word God What it might look like to simply be curious—without pressure to believe a certain way This conversation is not a debate, but an invitation to…

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Host: Anabel

Guests: Nele Zeeh, Deacon Court Shields

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Organizations: World of Cacao, St. Teresa’s Parish

Places: Harvard, MA

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