2 Complicated 4 History

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia Description: Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus sit down with cultural historian Dr. Kelly J. Baker to explore America’s enduring obsession with a zombie apocalypse. What does our fascination with the undead reveal about our fears, values, and survival instincts? And how do imagined apocalyptic scenarios shape—or reflect—our responses to real-world crises?   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:25 - How did you get into zombies? 8:06 - Zombies in American culture 13:32 - Moralism in the horror genre 16:48 - How does a zombie apocalypse compare to historical, real life apocalypses 27:47 - What is a luxury morality, where do we go once that’s gone? 33:05 - Is this an American phenomena and why is it so popular? 37:40 - Racism and misogyny in the genre - who survives? 45:31 - How have the winds changed in the last 5 years? 49:17 - Why should we take zombie preppers seriously? 52:48 - What is Kelly’s favorite zombie flick? 54:10 - What can we learn from zombies? 56:05 - Where to learn more about zombies and Kelly   EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Kelly J. Baker - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/ The Zombies Are Coming: The Realities of the Zombie Apocalypse in American Culture - https://www.kellyjbaker.com/writing/the-zombies-are-coming/  Anabaptists - https://amnetwork.uk/resource/anabaptist-common-practices/ Zombie Doomsday Preppers - https://fithops.com/blogs/learning-center/plan-to-survive-zombie-outbreak#:~:text=Essential%20Zombie%20Survival%20Gear,Kit%20for%20Durability%20and%20Efficiency Preparedness 101: Zombie Pandemic - https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/6023 Kingdom - https://www.netflix.com/title/81095387 Warm Bodies - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1588173/ Halloween Horror Nights - https://www.halloweenhorrornights.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast   To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by John Wyatt Greenlee to dive into the surprising history of one slippery creature—the eel. Once a delicacy, currency, contraband, and even a spiritual symbol, this elusive fish finally gets its moment in the spotlight. You’ll never look at eels the same way again.   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:49 - What is a cartographic historian? 4:15 - How did maps lead you to eels? 12:30 - Eels are everywhere! 13:49 - What is an eel? 21:35 - The mystery of eel reproduction 27:46 - Factors of eels becoming critically endangered 30:41 - The effect of eels being yucky 35:02 - Eels as a currency 47:16 - Fast food jellied eels 48:59 - Eels in identity: eels in family crests and cultural heritage 51:43 - From dissertation to publication 54:30 - An eel story 58:02 - Where do we go to see the eels?!?! 1:09:15 - Where you can find John   EPISODE LINKS: John Wyatt Greenlee - https://www.jwgreenlee.net/ Surprised Eel Mapping - https://surprisedeelmaps.com/ Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/greenleejw.bsky.social Eels - https://www.britannica.com/animal/eel Sargasso Sea - https://www.britannica.com/place/Sargasso-Sea Jellied Eels - https://youtu.be/sl0uZTzBTP8?si=yteJ2PFM-vLith9y Aristotle and eels - https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/27172/20200904/why-aristotle-freud-many-others-fascinated-european-eels.htm Hildegard of Bingen - https://www.historytoday.com/archive/natural-histories/sexual-eeling Henry Mayhew - https://theausteritykitchen.com/2009/10/09/from-costermonger-eel-pie-html/ Anglo-Dutch Wars - https://www.britannica.com/event/Anglo-Dutch-Wars Rachel Carson, Under the Sea Wind - https://archive.org/details/underseawind00rach;https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/under-the-sea-wind-rachel-carson/1100214057 Ely, England - https://www.visitely.org.uk/ Ely’s Eel Day - https://www.visitcambridge.org/event/elys-eel-day/    PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast   To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Elizabeth Reese to discuss the 1824-1825 visit of the Marquis de Lafayette to the United States. The last surviving general of the Revolutionary War, Lafayette brought together a divided nation as a universally beloved hero of America. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 2:13 - Who was Lafayette? 5:45 - Lafayette’s Early Life and Motivation 11:02 - Lafayette’s Relationship with George Washington 14:43 - Lafayette’s Influence and Legacy 19:30 - Lafayette’s Return to America in 1824 23:36 - Political Context of Lafayette’s Return 30:31 - Lafayette’s Relationship with James Monroe 32:29 - The Emotional Bonds of Imprisonment 33:20 - Navigating the French Revolution 35:48 - Lafayette’s Celebrity Status in America 40:15 - Connections with Historical Figures 42:01 - Lafayette’s Visits and Emotional Closure 44:41 - Recognition of Enslaved Individuals 53:20 - Portrayals of Lafayette in the Media 57:30 - Personal Connections to Lafayette's Legacy EPISODE LINKS: Elizabeth Reese - https://www.elizabethmreese.comMarquis de Lafayette Returns: A Tour of America’s National Capital Region - https://bookshop.org/p/books/marquis-de-lafayette-returns-a-tour-of-america-s-national-capital-region-elizabeth-reese/20547715?ean=9781467155878&next=t Woodlawn Pope-Leighey House - https://www.woodlawnpopeleighey.org Marquis de Lafayette - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marquis-de-Lafayette Battle of Minden - https://www.royalhampshireregiment.org/about-the-museum/timeline/battle-of-minden/ Charles Cornwallis - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Cornwallis-1st-Marquess-and-2nd-Earl-Cornwallis Adrienne de Noailles - https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/lafayette-marie-adrienne-de-1760-1807 Lafayette’s 1824-1825 U.S. Tour - https://www.amrevmuseum.org/the-marquis-de-lafayette-s-1824-1825-united-states-tour French Revolution - https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/french-revolution/ Auguste Levasseur - https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/51473 Lafayette’s grave - https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-tale-of-two-revolutions-in-paris Cassandra Good - https://youtu.be/ScJsZm-MAcA?feature=shared The Washington Family - https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/family Slavery at Mount Vernon - https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery James Armistead Lafayette - https://virginiahistory.org/learn/james-fayette-revolutionary-spy Israel Gillette Jefferson - https://gettingword.monticello.org/people/israel-gillette-jefferson/ Franklin miniseries Lafayette - https://screenrant.com/what-happened-to-gilbert-marquis-de-lafayette-franklin/ 2025 Lafayette Anniversary events - https://lafayette200.org   PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Innovation Historian Jason Voiovich to explore how many of today’s iconic products, entertainment, and cultural heroes trace their origins to the Great Depression. This era once again demonstrates that hardship often paves the road to innovation.   Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia   CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 1:12 - The Role of a Fractional Chief Officer 3:54 - Understanding Innovations Throughout History 6:07 - The Difference Between History and Memory 6:42 - What is Jason’s Book About, How Jason Tells Stories Differently, and How The Great Depression Was A Time of Innovation 12:14 - When Was The Great Depression and Why Was it “Great”? 18:58 - The Psychological Impacts of the Great Depression 20:32 - The Psychological Impacts of the Great Depression 20:32 - The Refrigerator: A Symbol of Change 27:28 - Lessons from The Great Depression 32:09 - The Impact of Change on Innovation and Embracing Innovation in Difficult times 36:53 - Photography as a Means of Immortality and The Impact of Color in Visual Storytelling 45:10 - Documenting History: The Role of Photography in The Great Depression 48:47 - The Surprising Origins of Monopoly 01:01:23 - Exploring Diverse Topics In Innovation History   EPISODE LINKS: Jason Voiovich - https://jasontvoiovich.com/ Substack - https://innovationhistory.substack.com/p/rededicating-innovation-history?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Bullfrogs, Bingo, and the Little House on the Prairie: How Innovators of the Great Depression Made the Best of the Worst of Times - TBD Great Depression - https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Depression Scarface and the Untouchable - https://www.harpercollins.com/products/scarface-and-the-untouchable-max-allan-collinsa-brad-schwartz?variant=32207533146146 Florida Land Boom - https://tampabayhistorycenter.org/exhibit/sharps-marks-in-paradise-selling-florida-in-the-1920s/ Dust Bowl - https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/great-depression-and-world-war-ii-1929-1945/dust-bowl/ The Grapes of Wrath - https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Grapes-of-Wrath Rahm Emanuel - https://bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/e000287 Snow White - https://americanhistory.si.edu/explore/stories/snow-white-radio Monopoly - https://www.britannica.com/sports/Monopoly-board-game Lizzie Magie - https://blogs.bl.uk/business/2023/03/lizzie-magie-and-the-history-of-monopoly-1.html Charles Darrow - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-B-Darrow Father Coughlin - https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/personal-story/charles-coughlin   PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab   Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH   SOCIAL: - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Mills Kelly to explore the origins of the Appalachian Trail, the lives it touched, and a long-forgotten section in Virginia. While the trail invited people into the wilderness, it also fostered connections among them. As one poet aptly put it, "In the mountains, the mind becomes the heart." Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 3:21 - The Appalachian Trail: A Historical Overview 6:39 - Benton MacKaye's Vision for the Trail 10:08 - The Challenges of Trail Development 15:01 - The Route Through Southwestern Virginia 22:19 - The Controversial Trail Leader 25:24 - Land Ownership and Trail Access 28:54 - Cultural Exchange and Hiker Hospitality 32:06 - Economic Impact of the Appalachian Trail 36:27 - Visualizing the Appalachian Trail 41:04 - The Evolution of the Trail 43:27 - Personal Connections and Community 47:38 - The Friends You Make Along the Way 54:40 - Bridging Political Divides through Shared Experiences EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Mills Kelly: https://millskelly.net Virginia’s Lost Appalachian Trail: https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/products/9781467153393/?queryID=574fdb827000a9ce82f22687c79d8374&objectID=9781467153393&insightsIndex=arcadia-publishing_products Virginia’s Lost AT: https://virginiaslostat.org/ The Green Tunnel: https://www.r2studios.org/show/the-green-tunnel/ Franklin County, Virginia: https://franklincountyvahistoricalsociety.org The Long Trail, Vermont: https://www.greenmountainclub.org/the-long-trail/ Benton MacKaye: https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/bmackaye Shirley Center, MA: https://shirleyhistory.org/about/shirley-center/ Betty MacKaye: https://documents.alexanderstreet.com/d/1008297941 Myron Avery: https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/mavery Smokey Mountain Diner: https://visitmadisoncounty.com/smoky-mountain-diner/ Fries, Virginia: https://musicofourmountains.com/fries-and-the-washington-mill/ Floyd, Virginia: https://www.floydcova.gov/history Shenandoah National Park: https://www.snptrust.org/about-us/mission-history/shenandoah-history/ Pacific Crest Trail: https://www.pcta.org/about-us/history/ Washington and Jefferson National Forests: https://www.virginia.org/things-to-do/outdoors/national-forests-and-recreation-areas/george-washington-and-jefferson-national-forests/ Iron Mountain Trail: https://www.hikingproject.com/trail/7033608/iron-mountain-trail Lake View Restaurant: https://lakeview.top Franklin County, Virginia: https://www.franklincountyva.gov/575/History-of-Franklin-County New River: https://dwr.virginia.gov/waterbody/new-river/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Barbara Vorndick to explore the life of Eliza Monroe and the story that has been told about her for two-hundred years—and why it is false. Now the push is on to bring James Monroe’s daughter home. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introductions 1:39 - Why Barbara Started The Biography 7:12 - Who Was President James Monroe? 13:25 - Eliza Monroe's Education and Early Life 19:20 - Eliza the Nurse 23:00 - Eliza the First Lady Daughter 26:20 - Eliza the Firecracker 30:30 - The Primary Sources That Fueled The Research 33:14 - The Sea Voyage to France 42:48 - Whodunnit 51:12 - Did Eliza Get a Proper Funeral? 55:08 - Breaking News - Where Are We Now? 58:35 - How Can We Help Bring Eliza Home? EPISODE LINKS: Eliza’s True. Story: The First Biography of President Monroe’s Eldest Daughter - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/elizas-true-story-barbara-vorndick/1145846740 Bringing Eliza Home - https://hffi.org/bringing-eliza-home/ The Bringing Eliza Home Project (Facebook) – https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61558069665312 Donate - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=DNXN2KMNKVGHG Eliza Monroe - https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/elizabeth-monroe James Monroe - https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Monroe James Monroe’s Highland - https://highland.org Louisiana Purchase – https://www.britannica.com/event/Louisiana-Purchase Monroe Doctrine – https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/monroe-doctrine Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Genest Campan - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jeanne-Louise-Henriette-Genest-Campan Caroline Bonaparte – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Caroline-Bonaparte Hortense de Beauharnais – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hortense Elizabeth Kortright Monroe - https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/elizabeth-monroe George Hay - https://www.fjc.gov/node/1381966 Margaret Bayard Smith – https://www.loc.gov/collections/margaret-bayard-smith-papers/about-this-collection/ Frances Depau (ship) - https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/c80k2cvw/entire_text/ Maria Hester Monroe - https://jmonroe3d.umwhistory.org/exhibit/maria-hester-monroe-gouverneur/ Samuel Laurence Gouverneur - https://archives.nypl.org/mss/1187 Daniel Brent – https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/brent-daniel-carroll James Monroe Museum and Memorial Library - https://jamesmonroemuseum.umw.edu James Monroe Memorial Foundation - https://monroefoundation.org Found and Sons Funeral Chapel - https://www.foundandsons.com/locations/found-and-sons-funeral-chapel-of-fredericksburg PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Jane E. Calvert to discuss the lesser known and under appreciated founder John Dickinson. Find out why Dickinson should be placed alongside the names Washington, Adams, and Jefferson in U.S. history books. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Sneak Peak/Introductions 2:22 - Why John Dickinson? 5:48 - Who Was John Dickinson 9:24 - How Prolific Was He? 22:46 - The Role of Ordinary People in the Revolution 29:15 - Dickinson’s Pen Name and Its Implications 41:24 - Drafting The Articles of Confederation 43:52 - A Man Who Had His Hand In Everything 45:19 - The One Person Who Brought The United States Into Being 53:29 - Dickinson’s Later Years and Legacy 58:39 - Where to Find Jane? 1:01:46 - Dickinson Sites To Visit EPISODE LINKS: Jane E. Calvert, PhD – https://www.drjaneecalvert.org Penman of the Founding – A Biography of John Dickinson - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/penman-of-the-founding-9780197541692?cc=us&lang=en&  The John Dickinson Writings Project - https://www.jdproject.org Quakers - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Society-of-Friends Stamp Act – https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/stamp-act-1765 Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania - https://history.delaware.gov/john-dickinson-plantation/dickinsonletters/pennsylvania-farmer-letters/ Religion and the American Revolution - https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html#:~:text=Religion%20played%20a%20major%20role,in%20the%20sight%20of%20God. John Dickinson, Conservative Revolutionary - https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-american-studies/article/abs/milton-e-flower-john-dickinson-conservative-revolutionary-charlottesville-virginia-the-univ-press-of-virginia-for-the-friends-of-the-john-dickinson-mansion-1983-2750-pp-xii-338/597B92DD95F124DAB8EBB9DBD25EF68B The Cost of Liberty: The Life of John Dickinson - https://www.regnery.com/9781684515479/cost-of-liberty/ Edmund Burke - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edmund-Burke-British-philosopher-and-statesman John Adams - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/John-Adams/David-McCullough/9780743223133 The Whig Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Whig-Party Benjamin Lay - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/quaker-comet-greatest-abolitionist-never-heard-180964401/ John Woolman - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Woolman Mary Norris Dickinson - https://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2011/05/mary-norris-dickinson.html John Dickinson Plantation - https://www.nps.gov/frst/planyourvisit/john-dickinson-plantation.htm  Stenton - https://www.stenton.org PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Kathleen DuVal to discuss the history of Native Americans over a millennium. Dr. DuVal reveals history from natives’ perspectives, turning the well-known eurocentric view of world history on its head. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introductions 1:25 - What Made You Decide to Take On Such a Large Timeline? 4:14 - Where Do You Start? 8:46 - Navigating The Correct Terminology 11:56 - What Was America Like in 1006? 15:03 - Major Differences? Animal husbandry?  16:18 - The Fallacy of European Advancement 18:01 - How Much Of This Work Overlapped with Archeology? 22:12 - Did Anything from the Pre-contact Period Change Your Perception of the Time? 25:21 - Anything From The Recent Centuries that Surprised You? 29:06 - How Did This Penetrate West Into The Continent 32:44 - The Historiography of Native History  35:55 - The Native Perspective On Their History 38:11 - The Importance of Telling These Stories 39:17 - Who Belongs: Race vs Citizenship 41:38 - Lynn’s Favorite Quote From the Book 44:45 - How Do You Deal With History That Isn’t What You Wished It to Be? 49:35 - Was Your Goal to Get People to Empathize? 53:39 - Historical (Web)Sites You Should Visit 56:07 - TV Shows & Films That Are Good Representations 57:23 - Where You Can Find Kathleen DuVal EPISODE LINKS: Kathleen DuVal – https://history.unc.edu/faculty-members/kathleen-duval/; https://kathleenduval.web.unc.edu Native Nations: A Millennium in North America - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/575441/native-nations-by-kathleen-duval/# 1006 Supernova - https://www.nasa.gov/universe/supernova-remnant-sn-1006/ Medieval Warm Period - https://www.britannica.com/science/medieval-warm-period Moundville Archeology – https://moundville.museums.ua.edu Cherokee History – https://www.cherokee.org Mohawk History – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mohawk Colonialism – https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/colonialism/ Blood Quantum - https://nativegov.org/resources/blood-quantum-and-sovereignty-a-guide/ Settler Colonialism – https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/settler_colonialism#:~:text=The%20concept%20of%20settler%20colonialism,with%20a%20new%20settler%20population. Ruth Muskrat - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/articles/read-a-speech-by-a-native-american-activist-from-the-early-1920s/ Jenny Tone-Pah-Hote – https://uncpress.org/book/9781469643663/crafting-an-indigenous-nation/ Reservation Dogs - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13623580/ Rutherford Falls - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11058054/ Resident Alien - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8690918/ Kathleen DuVal on X (formerly Twitter) - @KathleenADuVal PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:   https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices