EP 21: Cloud Coding Agents & the Mythos Model Panic with Matthew Mirman, Chat.Dev

About this episode

The episode features Matthew Mirman discussing cloud coding agents and the transformative impact of Claude Code.

In Episode 21 of AI in NYC, Rob and Ryan sit down with Matthew Mirman, founder of Chat.Dev — a cloud hosting platform for coding agents that he describes as 'Heroku for Claude Code.' Matt walks us through how he went from building legal tech AI tools for personal injury lawyers to launching a platform where anyone can spin up a cloud VM, run a coding agent in YOLO mode, and even manage the whole thing via text message. The conversation digs into the pivotal moment last November when Claude Code went from 'okay' to genuinely transformative — enabling people with zero coding experience to build full production applications. Matt shares how showing his early prototype to just 20 friends led to 5 of them using it 5+ hours a day within a week, a product-market fit signal that convinced him to go all in. The episode also covers the latest industry news including Anthropic's Mythos model announcement through Project Glasswing, what it means for the AI safety conversation, and whether competitors like Google or state actors already have comparable capabilities. Plus, the hosts break down Amazon's bombshell $15 billion AI run rate in AWS and Andy Jassy's defense of their massive $200B…

People in this episode

Hosts: Rob, Ryan

Guest: Matthew Mirman

Topics covered

• cloud coding agents
• AI infrastructure
• AI safety
• product-market fit
• industry news
• AI bubble debate

Keywords

• cloud hosting
• coding agents
• AI tools
• production applications
• AI safety
• infrastructure supercycle
• AI bubble
• Anthropic
• Amazon

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Chat.Dev, Anthropic, Amazon, Google, AWS

Products: Claude Code, YOLO

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