Always and Forever | A One Tree Hill Podcast

We’re ready to PAR-TAY at the Scott house! In our discussion of S4E14: Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers, we unpack Dan’s motives in getting close to Lucas and Karen, Nathan’s visit to Deb in rehab and our conflicting feelings about what he says to her, Leyton’s healthy and trusting relationship, and Peyton and Brooke’s slow reconciliation. Kaitlyn swoons over Leyton’s redo of the scene from season 1…but they still get interrupted and she desperately wants them to finally have their moment! We also discuss how Haley bitch slaps Rachel (and Jeremy thinks it’s not as satisfying as it could’ve been earlier in the season!), the Shelly and Mouth sex scene, and THAT twist ending that almost feels like fan fiction.And oh, btw we’re canceling Naley’s unborn baby. K bye.Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

IT’S TRICKYYYYY! In our episode on S4E12: Resolve, we discuss Nathan’s strip dance to raise money, how refreshing it is to see Leyton so happy, and Brooke’s new experiences with Chase, which are so different from any other guy she’s been with before! We also unpack the Clean Teens crisis, the calculus test scandal and why the student council president (aka Brooke) is called into the meeting, Deb’s mental health crisis, and the fact that Dan is the absolute worst. We also reflect on the beauty of long television show seasons that make it possible to get extra, “filler” content. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It’s an alternate reality in One Tree Hill S4E10: Songs to Love and Die By and we have very different opinions about this episode! Kaitlyn likes the episode’s structure and overall message, but Jeremy questions all the plot holes and whether another character would have worked better in Lucas’ role. Are you Team Kaitlyn or Team Jeremy?! We also discuss the heck out of Craig Sheffer’s return (yay!), Max the record store guy (ugh!), and Brooke and Peyton’s heartbreaking moment under the bridge.Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We may be a little unhinged in this episode on S4E8: Nothing Left to Say but Goodbye, but there is so much to unpack! We discuss if calculus is really a requirement in high school, our conflicted feelings about Dan and Karen finally making amends after all these years, and the growing divide between Brooke and Peyton, including the directing choices used with their characters in this episode. Kaitlyn shares that she’s officially over the love triangle between Lucas, Brooke, and Peyton, BUT Brooke wanting a second chance with Lucas is actually a realistic situation after a break up. Jeremy points out that Peyton has changed in how she deals with adversity. And finally, GIVE BARRY CORBIN MORE WORK! Whitey’s banquet speech gave us ALL the feels. Watch the promo that Kaitlyn reacts to live at the 32:13 mark here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsZ-xOUy9go Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We are coming in hot with the hot takes in our discussion of S4E6: Where Did You Sleep Last Night? First, we wonder where the heck all of Peyton’s friends are after the traumatic event in the previous episode and why therapy isn’t a critical aspect of this storyline (yes, we are a broken record!). We call out the real Derek for needing to have more empathy for Peyton, but appreciate the twist at the end with Derek secretly watching out for her. We also unpack the cringiness of the Brooke and Mr. Chavez storyline, wonder how Haley and Nathan actually exist on just one cafe job, and seriously question if people care THAT much about *high school* basketball that they actually bet on it?! And finally, Kaitlyn calls out Karen (gasp!) for her crappy advice to Haley that lacks any practical tips and furthers the anti-choice narrative already present in this season.Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Friends, buckle your seatbelts and get ready for a One Tree Hill horror show because we are discussing S4E5: I Love You But I’ve Chosen Darkness! We unpack the Psycho Derek storyline and how effective of a horror show it still is, the real Derek surprise, and Jeremy considers if the episode would have been even stronger if the WHOLE episode had horror themes, similar to what Dawson’s Creek did. Kaitlyn shares her hot take that it’s unfair that Haley tells Nathan she’s pregnant at the same time he tells her that he got a scholarship from Duke. We both wonder why the heck Haley would then go to Dan to discuss the pregnancy and Duke news?! And we also discuss Rachel’s classy response to Nathan when he tells her that Haley is preggos (YAAS girl!), the dying art of email (lol), and the Nick teacher surprise (ew). And when you're done, find out where this episode ranks in our most recent Spoiler Central episode, where we discuss the Top “Horror Movie” Episodes of One Tree Hill!Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our Spoiler Central mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Big news but keep it on the BLT! We are discussing the 69th episode of One Tree Hill! In S4E3, “Good News for People Who Love Bad News.” Everyone is really mean and annoying in this episode, especially Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Mouth (Lee Norris). As Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) connects with her half brother (Matt Barr), Rachel (Danneel Ackles) reveals that she knows who is pregnant! Meanwhile, Skills (Antwon Tanner) is doing incredibly well on The Ravens despite Whitey (Barry Corbin) keeping him down!We also discuss:The episode’s namesake, the album “Good News for People Who Love Bad News” by Modest Mouse.The pacing being off during the beginning of this season.Is there bad blood between Haley and Peyton?A callback to the end of summer beach party, what what!?Whether Brooke ever fought for Lucas.Racism and Whitey’s sudden lack of knowledge about white supremacy.Is Skills replacing Tim?Skills being the voice of reason while Antwon Tanner gets his coins for being a series regular.Weird deleted scenes.How Dan needs to leave Karen alone.Rachel and Nathan bonding unnecessarily and — again — how this story could’ve been much better.We promise you there are episodes we like this season!Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our spoiler-ful mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tree Hill is just a place somewhere in the world … maybe it’s a lot like your world. Maybe it’s nothing like it but if you look closer you might see someone like you or someone like Haley James Scott (Bethany Joy Lenz). If you’re married, a senior in high school and not sure if your husband is still alive, then I’d say your world is a lot like Haley’s. THIS IS RELATABLE! OK! We’re back with One Tree Hill S4E1: The Same Deep Water As You! In this episode, someone is pregnant; lives hang in the balance; Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) is back on drugs; Nathan (James Lafferty) is having some serious PTSD that we’re sure the show will deal with responsibly; Brooke (Sophia Bush) breaks up with Lucas (Chad Michael Murray); Dan (Paul Johannson) is still feeling guilt; Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) has a mysterious half brother; and Rachel (Danneel Ackles) and Skills (Antwon Tanner) are series regulars! Also, this all happens in one day and none of the characters seem a little tired. During our discussion, we talk about:Jeremy’s hyperfixation on the characters being soooo tan, despite the episode taking place the same day as the third season finaleHow the show is on a new network now (“Hey, remember that time my birth mother came to town and her death traumatized me?”)Whether Lucas is a good writerJoy’s acting during the opening sceneACAB (trust us, it comes up)Brooke’s ability to move once again with zero plans on where to stayOur evolving thoughts on Brucas’ breakupWhether Skills could actually join the basketball team and get a scholarship this late in the school yearDeb and Dan’s characterization being inconsistent with last season, and how frustrated we are with Deb’s new directionBe sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content, including our spoiler-ful mini episodes; our Drama Queens reaction podcast, Royal Review; and our movie podcast, Baker Soundstage. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Take us away because we’re celebrating the 20th anniversary of Freaky Friday (2003), the iconic Disney flick starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan as a mother and daughter who swap bodies and are forced to live in each other’s shoes. Throughout their day, they have their run-ins with school bullies, interesting therapy clientele, and love interests while navigating talk show appearances, wedding rehearsal dinners and band auditions. Buckle in for this episode because it starts off with Kaitlyn and Jeremy swapping bodies, themselves! Plus, since we’re talking about a Disney movie, Jeremy tries not to use any naughty words. The results are interesting.During our discussion of Freaky Friday (2003), we talk about:Comparisons to the other versions of Freaky Friday, including the 1972 novel by Mary Rodgers, 1976 original film starring Barbara Harris and Jodie Foster, the 1995 made-for-TV film starring Shelley Long and Gaby Hoffmann, the 2016 stage musical starring Heidi Blickenstaff and Emma Hunton, and the 2018 Disney Channel Original Movie starring Blickenstaff and Cozi Zuehlsdorff.How the “body-swap genre” works better in TV and film vs. books, plus callbacks to memorable body-swap stories on Charmed and (of course) Buffy the Vampire Slayer.Chad Michael Murray rocking long hair.Is it ethical for Jake to date Anna? Is Jake even a student??Problematic depictions about mental health and the use of the word “crazy” in an ableist context.Racist Asian stereotypes behind Pei Pei (Rosalind Chao), Pei Pei’s mom (Lucille Soong), and the staff of the House of Chang restaurant.Surprise! The Pink Slit song, “Take Me Away,” performed by Christina Vidal is actually a cover of a song by the Australian alternative punk rock group, Lash.Justice for Christina Vidal’s one-season wonder Nickelodeon television show, Taina!Our personal experiences with “earthquakes” (note the giant air quotes!).More talk about how Gen Z doesn’t use flat sheets, for some reason.How the Stacey (Julie Gonzalo) character doesn’t really receive her comeuppance...except she does in a deleted scene that we didn’t know about until after we finished recording.Kaitlyn getting very offended seeing a teacher do a crossword puzzle in the teacher’s lounge.Jamie Lee Curtis being gender goals.This movie’s connection to the original Freaky Friday film from 1976.The Bowling for Soup cover of “...Baby One More Time,” which triggers lots of Britney Spears talk.That time Chad Michael Murray made out with Jamie Lee Curtis (Quick fact check: Jeremy incorrectly stated that the interview was with Entertainment Tonight. It was actually Busy Tonight!)Whether this movie really needed Chad Michael Murray’s character.A potential Freaky Friday 2?You can listen to the full episode by subscribing at the $5 level over at patreon.com/alwaysothpod.We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com. Listen to our previous episodes of Baker Soundstage below:Scream (2022)The NotebookA Cinderella StoryJohn Tucker Must Die Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’re here, folks. It’s the end of the season that got Kaitlyn hooked on One Tree Hill and the end of the season that both of your hosts call their favorite season of the entire series. But our journey through this amazing teen drama is just beginning because S3E22, The Show Must Go On, leaves us with so many cliffhangers as Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) head to the altar! Will things ever be the same between Brooke (Sophia Bush), Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray)? Who wrote “murderer” on Dan’s (Paul Johansson) wall? Will Karen (Moira Kelly), who is now pregnant with Keith’s child, ever learn the truth about Dan? Who is pregnant? Will Rachel (Danneel Ackles) and Cooper (Michael Trucco) survive from their limo dropping into the water? Will Nathan? Will Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) ever stop being so freaking iconic?? Just kidding. We know Deb will always be iconic. So we can rest easy knowing that she will continue being fabulous after confessing to attempted murder.The episode title’s connection to its namesake, Queen’s “The Show Must Go On,” including how it chronicles Freddie Mercury’s efforts to continue performing as he was dying. Plus, the title may have been a subtle message to send network executives.Give Sophia Bush an Emmy, already!The full-circle moment from the third season premiere (Please forgive Jeremy for only mentioning Ellie and Keith as the only deaths in season 3, and completely forgetting about Jimmy!)Myspace memories. Gen Z, for those who don’t know, Myspace was a website like Twitter and Facebook, but fun.Our evolving feelings on Brucas, including a shocking confession from Jeremy and a connection to Taylor Swift’s “Out of the Woods” from Kaitlyn.Brooke’s (some deserved, some not) pettiness toward Peyton.Does Brooke really love Lucas?Deb’s iconic version of “Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me.”Why did Karen tell Dan she was pregnant?The use of The Snow Patrol song, “Chasing Cars,” and how music supervisor Lindsay Wolfington secured it for this episode before the song’s actual release.How safe we feel with Naley right now (also how in the heck did they afford this wedding!?)How Gavin DeGraw’s “More Than Anyone” was selected by viewers to be Nathan and Haley’s first dance song.The fallout from Cooper and Rachel.The iconic CODA featuring the Led Zeppelin song, “Babe I'm Gonna Leave You,” and a brief history of the band’s reluctance to license its songs out for TV and filmWe may not be returning until September for season four but we couldn’t wait that long to watch S4E1, "The Same Deep Water As You"! On Sunday, June 4 at 2pm EST, we will be hosting a live watch of the episode in our Discord server for our patrons at the $2 level and above! Click here for more information on how to join us and other listeners as we chat about all of the cliffhanger resolutions and so much more!Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hope we can alleviate the Sunday Scaries for you with our discussion on One Tree Hill S3E20: Everyday Is a Sunday Evening, a very strange episode that wants us to think that Lucas (Chad Michael Murray, who did not appear in this episode) is either super important or not important at all for the show (at least those are Jeremy’s thoughts). It’s the playoffs and Nathan (James Lafferty) tries to lead the Ravens to success against the undefeated Oak Lake, despite pressure from the team’s lead player Damien West (Joshua Snyder). Plus Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Mouth (Lee Norris) plot revenge against Rachel (Danneel Ackles) for breaking Mouth’s heart after learning she lied about her age to get with Cooper (Michael Trucco). Plus Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) reunites with Jake (Bryan Greenberg) and Jenny, effectively reigniting the Jeyton fireworks! Plus, Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) and Nathan issue a restraining order against Dan (Paul Johannson).In this episode, we discuss:The title’s namesake, an album by the BlackoutsFun facts about Chad Michael Murray’s absence, including how he was filming the movie Home of the BraveThe misleading promos that lead you to believe Lucas was going to be hooking up with Rachel and that Dan was going to burn his old house downDamien West actor Joshua Snyder’s baking brand with his wife, Angela Kinsey (Angela Martin from The Office), and the rabbit hole Jeremy went down to learn about thisDamien’s strange parallel to Dan and how he harasses Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz), in a storyline where she has absolutely no agencyThe weird objectification of RachelThe high camp levels between Brooke and RachelOh remember that fight Brooke and Mouth had a few episodes ago? Don’t worry. This episode forgot about it too!Whether Rachel actually knew that Cooper was the uncle of one of her classmatesJake’s reasoning for wanting to go to Savannah at the end of season one despite this new information that Nicki’s parents were also thereDan actually showing real emotions now that he no longer has power over his familyThe epic CODA of "Look After You" by The FrayBe sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

CW: Brief mention of suicide at the 17:20 mark.It’s a weekend full of riding ATMs, hot tubs, Brooking ourselves, marriage proposals, and making out with Pete from Fall Out Boy in One Tree Hill S3E18, When It Isn't Like It Should Be. Rachel (Danneel Ackles) brings the gang to her parents’ cabin in the woods and we finally get some fun moments with these characters after several episodes of trauma. Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) repeatedly loses her wedding ring but little does she know that Nathan (James Lafferty) has a surprise up his sleeve. Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) receives validation when her Snuffleupagus (Pete Wentz) finally shows up to the cabin. Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) have their share of tender moments, and some moments are so “tender” that Brooke gets caught by Rachel in a compromising position. Skills (Antwon Tanner) and Bevin (Bevin Prince) also have sweet moments of their own…even when they get lost in the woods. Meanwhile, Mouth (Lee Norris) is still upset with Rachel for unleashing the time capsule and Karen (Moira Kelly) takes out her frustrations on Dan (Paul Johannson).We chat about the highs and lows of this episode, including:The episode’s namesake, “When It Isn't Like It Should Be,” by Saves the Day.Was the quote from Lucas’ voiceover (“Be not afraid of life. Believe that life is worth living, and your belief will help create the fact.”) from Henry James or William James? Nathan and Karen’s respective grief and how the characters are addressing itThe joys of riding ATMs with the boysOriginal leaks from this episode claiming that Mouth and Rachel would have sex and that Rachel would reveal she was a virgin during the game of “I Never.”Rachel getting some moments of humanityThe brilliant talent of OTH writer Anna Lotto for coming up with the term, “Brooking yourself.”Tender Brucas moments and Jeremy’s shocking hot takeThe awkwardness of Pete Wentz, his acting, and the overall cringe of his relationship with Peyton.Was Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters originally supposed to date Peyton?Double-sided parasocial relationships (Dan Levy, Jack Quaid, and Tom Holland, go give Jeremy a call if you just happen to be an Always and Forever listener)The epic Naley proposal and the upcoming Tree Hill wedding! John Steinbeck’s quote: “Change comes like a little wind that ruffles the curtains at dawn, and it comes like the stealthy perfume of wildflowers hidden in the grass.”Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com.Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2. Always and Forever is now on Patreon! Join our community to gain access to our private Discord server, early episode releases, and bonus content. Visit patreon.com/alwaysothpod for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.