Artificial Intelligence: Real Talk
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Why Teachers Don't Need to be the Expert in the Classroom with Stewart Brown
Aug 25, 2026
58m 14s
The Education System is 100% Dead. Here's What Comes Next... ft. Amirah Cummings
Jul 25, 2026
1h 03m 26s
ISTE 2026: Start a Conversation, Not an Accusation with Mike Lawrence
Jul 25, 2026
20m 46s
Doan Winkel: Building Friction, Autonomy, and Design with AI
Jul 18, 2026
45m 52s
Pathologically Uncurious About AI ft. Jake Rupp
Jul 10, 2026
1h 09m 24s
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| 8/25/26 |  Why Teachers Don't Need to be the Expert in the Classroom with Stewart Brown | Matt sits down with Stewart Brown, from Code for Kids (c4k.io), to dig into why so many schools are unprepared to teach AI literacy and computer science—and what it actually takes to build a foundation that sticks. From debunking the myth that CS doesn't belong in every district to rethinking what "expert in the room" even means for teachers, this conversation goes way deeper than tech tools. It's about curiosity, vulnerability, and what gets lost when we let AI do too much of the thinking for us. Timestamps: 2:43 | The real gap in K-8 schools: why computer science often doesn't exist as a real subject15:12 | Stewart's no-BS way of explaining AI: "It's a machine brain."18:07 | Matthew's viral hallucination analogy — what your breakfast 20 years ago has to do with AI19:38 | Unpacking "future-ready education" — and why it's more than a buzzword21:54 | The mindset shift every teacher needs before stepping into an AI-driven classroom30:56 | A college classroom story that changed how Matthew thinks about teaching35:09 | How Code for Kids actually started — an origin story with a wild twist40:23 | What happens to classroom engagement when teachers admit they don't know everything47:48 | Stewart gets curious: the big open questions driving his work51:49 | The one thing about AI that fascinates (and unsettles) everyone in the field57:28 | Where to find Stewart and Code for Kids We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 58m 14s | ||||||
| 7/25/26 |  The Education System is 100% Dead. Here's What Comes Next... ft. Amirah Cummings | What if curiosity, not content, is the most important skill we can teach kids? In this episode of Real Talk: The Curiosity Connection, host Matt Karabinos sits down with Amirah Cummings, founder of KIO (Kids in Orbit), to explore how AI is unlimiting education, why the traditional school system is 100% obsolete, and what it truly means to become a self-driven learner.Amirah is a former software engineer turned educator whose work spans multilingual Montessori schooling, mission-based learning, and an entire ecosystem designed to turn kids into "Kionauts"—curious, compassionate explorers of Earth and the cosmos. At a time when AI is "making learning infinite" and "unlimiting" students' potential, the real mission of education comes into question. Listen to the whole episode for some memorable hot takes about education and what we can do instead. In this episode, you'll learn:Why curiosity disappears around 3rd grade, and what we can do about itHow AI makes learning infinite (and what that really means for classrooms)Why Amirah believes the traditional education system is 100% deadThe difference between motivated learners and self-driven learnersHow mission-based learning replaces outdated standards and metricsWhy millennials are uniquely positioned to lead the future of educationWhat "the new literacy" really looks like in an AI-powered worldHow to develop curiosity in kids — and adults — starting with one question: "Why?"Connect with Amirah Cummings:Amirah Cummings's LinkedInKIO LearningKionautConnect with Matt & the Show:Show: AI Real Talk: The Curiosity ConnectionMatt Karabinos' LinkedIn (00:00) - Introduction (00:57) - KIO: Kids in Orbit (02:02) - The Origin of KIO (07:49) - AI and Infinite Learning (15:36) - Rethinking Education (16:12) - Amirah's Personal Journey (23:14) - Student-Centered Learning & AI (35:50) - The Future of Education & AI (42:50) - Developing Curiosity (59:21) - Closing: What Are You Most Curious About? We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 1h 03m 26s | ||||||
| 7/25/26 |  ISTE 2026: Start a Conversation, Not an Accusation with Mike Lawrence | In this episode recorded at ISTE 2026, Jethro Jones talks with Mike Lawrence. Mike shares how his school district built a culture of AI transparency using disclosure badges instead of bans, why teachers need to model the same openness they expect from students, and what's next as schools cautiously explore AI agents. We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 20m 46s | ||||||
| 7/18/26 | AI in educationstudent autonomy+4 | Doan Winkel | AI Friction Labs | — | AIeducation+6 | — | 45m 52s | ||
| 7/10/26 | AI in educationrhetoric+4 | Jake Rupp | TikTokFacebook+2 | — | AIeducation+5 | — | 1h 09m 24s | ||
| 7/5/26 | cautious advocacyAI in education+4 | Dr. Alfonso Mendoza Jr. | My EdTech Life | — | cautious advocateAI+5 | — | 55m 37s | ||
| 6/24/26 | AI educationteacher experiences+3 | Aaron Makelky | Descript | — | AIeducation+6 | — | 28m 48s | ||
| 6/2/26 | AI in educationcognitive equity+4 | Jethro Jones | Artificial Intelligence: Real Talk | — | AIeducation+4 | — | 37m 35s | ||
| 5/20/26 | AI in educationcuriosity+3 | Matt Karabinos | Artificial Intelligence: Real Talk | — | artificial intelligenceeducation+4 | — | 17m 16s | ||
| 5/12/26 | OpenAICodex+3 | Aaron Makelky | CodexClaude+1 | — | OpenAICodex+3 | — | 53m 52s | ||
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| 4/1/26 | AI in educationpsychological safety+4 | Michael Angelone | American River CollegeAmerican River Review 2.0+1 | — | AIeducation+5 | — | 33m 34s | ||
| 3/24/26 | artificial intelligenceeducation+5 | Matt Winters | Utah State Board of EducationCAST+2 | — | artificial intelligenceeducation+5 | ReadSpeaker | 40m 10s | ||
| 3/10/26 | AI in educationcognitive equity+3 | Sam Bourgeois | Artificial Intelligence Real Talked-tech companies | — | AIeducation+5 | — | 45m 02s | ||
| 1/15/26 | AI in educationtechnology evolution+4 | Kevin Shindel | #UMustLearn Radio ShowMontgomery Blair High School+1 | — | artificial intelligenceeducation+6 | — | 29m 26s | ||
| 12/30/25 | AIprivacy+5 | Peter Gregory | Johns Hopkins UniversityAI Governance Professional Study Guide | — | artificial intelligenceprivacy+5 | IXL | 43m 40s | ||
| 8/9/25 | artificial intelligenceneurodiversity+4 | Derek Crager | Practical AIAI for Autistics | — | neurodiverseAI accessibility+5 | — | 27m 25s | ||
| 7/26/25 | AI conversationAI prompting+3 | Jonathan Mast | ChatGPTMidJourney+2 | — | AIprompting+5 | Renaissance | 16m 11s | ||
| 7/12/25 | AI in educationethics+3 | Dr. Jonan Donaldson | University of Alabama at BirminghamJohns Hopkins University | — | AIethics+5 | Renaissance | 40m 43s | ||
| 6/28/25 | AI in educationAI literacy+3 | Zach Kinzler | Smarter Campus PodcastBootle Box | Africa | AI educationAI trends+3 | Renaissance | 31m 05s | ||
| 6/14/25 | conversational AIautomation+4 | Peter Swimm | Toilville, LLCJohns Hopkins University | — | conversational AIautomation+5 | Renaissance | 34m 17s | ||
| 5/24/25 | The Two-Hour Learning Model with McKenzie Price | In this episode of Artificial Intelligence, Real Talk (AI with Eli), host Eli Davis sits down with McKenzie Price, Stanford grad, mom of two, and co-founder of the Two Hour Learning platform. McKenzie shares her journey in transforming education through AI-driven, personalized learning, and discusses the impact of life skills, socioeconomic challenges, and innovative teaching methods. The conversation covers the future of education, the role of teachers, and how AI can help unlock every child’s potential.Key Topics:McKenzie’s background and the founding of Two Hour LearningThe two-hour learning model and its academic resultsIntegrating life skills and AI in the classroomPersonalized learning for diverse student needsAddressing socioeconomic barriers and global impactInnovative teaching methods and real-world examplesThe evolving role of teachers and the promise of AI in educationGuest:McKenzie Price, Co-founder of Two Hour Learning, education innovator, and advocate for personalized, AI-powered learning. (00:00) - AIRT - McKenzie Price (05:46) - Meet McKenzie Price: Revolutionizing Education (08:05) - The Two-Hour Learning Model (09:48) - Life Skills and AI Integration (12:19) - Personalized Learning and Diverse Needs (14:22) - Addressing Socioeconomic Challenges (16:08) - Global Impact and Future Vision (21:32) - Innovative Teaching Methods (25:40) - The Role of AI in Education (29:06) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 29m 45s | ||||||
| 4/26/25 | Using AI Layering to Create Hyper-Localized Curriculum with Brent Zirkel | In this episode, Jethro Jones interviews Brent Zirkel, an elementary principal at Mary Welsh Elementary in Williamsburg, Iowa. They discuss how Brent is utilizing AI to create curriculum, making learning more engaging and transparent for both students and parents. Brent shares his experiences, challenges, and successes in integrating AI with education, including building websites, creating learning activities, and more. They also explore the importance of localized curriculum and the role of educators in the age of AI.Importance of curriculum being transparentMaking sure parents know exactly what we are teaching. Web sites for classroom. If you put yourself out there in the public, it motivates you to create more and better things. https://Raidersocialstudies.com AI makes it easier to organize your thoughts and put it in a systemic way. 80/20 in work usage. Middle East UnitGives kids deeper ways to understand what is going on in the world. Not getting kids to understand facts and dates. Helping kids understand and perceive the world and make judgments. American values and patriotism are very important to our community. When you arm teachers with good curriculum you can have good discussions. Greater freedom in the discussion point because it is a discussion, not a “lesson”. Layering with AI - Using multiple technologies that wouldn’t be possible with just one AI. AI Tools used: Suno (music), ChatGPT (art & more), MagicSchool (make it relevant), SchoolAI, assessmentsAI Tools are thought partners. How to be a transformative principal? Good Better Best, Never Let it rest till your good is better and your better is your best. About Brent Zirkel:Brent Zirkel is currently the Elementary Principal at Mary Welsh Elementary in Williamsburg, Iowa, a school of about 650 students. He also serves as the district ELL Director, Migratory Education Program Director, and Preschool Program Director. Brent has previously served as the Associate Principal at Williamsburg Jr/Sr. High School (7-12) and Fort Madison Middle School (4-8). Brent taught Spanish at Fort Madison High School for 12 years where he was honored for 5 consecutive years with the Terry Branstad Inspiring Teacher Award for serving as a motivational force to some of Iowa’s top-performing high school students. He has a BA in Geography and Spanish Education, an MS in Interdisciplinary Studies with an emphasis in Bilingual Education (ELL), and is certified as a Pre-K-12 Administrator and Special Education Supervisor.Brent is also a co-founder of the Test Kitchen Educational Foundation: a non-profit organization that creates innovative after-school programming for rural communities in Iowa by getting youth excited about learning through engagement in academics, culinary arts, and valuable life skills. Brent is married to Michelle, a K-6 Media Teacher, and has two children, Brevin (16) and Bram (10). Brent enjoys spending time with his family. He is an avid fan of Survivor, the TV show, and is a true believer in progress through struggle. Brent sees education as the greatest opportunity to build a better tomorrow by positively impacting the lives of his students today. We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 35m 26s | ||||||
| 4/12/25 | Streamlining Feedback to Teachers with Observation Co-Pilot with Adam Geller | In this episode, Jethro Jones welcomes Adam Geller, the founder and CEO of Edthena. They discuss the new Observation Copilot tool, designed to streamline principals' feedback processes for teachers, and delve into the challenges and solutions regarding teacher observations. Adam shares insights on how this innovative tool bridges the gap, saving valuable time for principals while maintaining meaningful and timely feedback for teachers.Observation copilot. Streamlining feedback to teachers Where are your pain points in observing teachers. Making sure chickenscratch notes turn into valuable prose and you can generate valuable ideas.Quick turnaround time - Observe today and get feedback today. How is streamlining the observation process transformativeHuman powered notes from the principal. Focus is on reorganizing, not on filling in blanks. Computer’s job is to show the evidence that a principal inputs. System to help a principal make a first draft. This service is free for anyone to use spring 2025. observationcopilot.com free for spring 2025 We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 20m 30s | ||||||
| 3/29/25 | Integrating AI into Our Lives with Dr. Teaira McMurty | In this episode, host Eli Davis welcomes his wife, Dr. Teaira McMurtry, to discuss the impact and use of artificial intelligence in education, personal life, and beyond. They delve into personal stories, professional insights, and practical advice for using AI tools effectively. The conversation covers AI's role in enhancing productivity, ethical considerations, and tips for beginners on how to get started with AI. We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 47m 23s | ||||||
| 3/15/25 | Innovations in Dyslexia Education with AI with Annette Teasdell | In this episode, Eli Davis speaks with Dr. Annette Teasdell, a nationally recognized scholar of urban education and an acclaimed author. Dr. Teasdell shares her journey, experiences, and insights on dyslexia, the transformative power of education, and the use of AI technologies to support students. The conversation delves into the significance of representation in education, the impact of dyslexia on different populations, especially African Americans, and the essential tools and strategies to help students overcome learning challenges. We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance: As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com.IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district. | 39m 34s | ||||||
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