Between the Walls

A listener sent in one of the hardest questions we've gotten: her two close friends — both Christians — just started dating each other, and they're both women. She loves them deeply, disagrees with their relationship theologically, and has no idea what to do. We sat with this one for a minute because honestly? It's not simple. In this episode we talk about what it actually looks like to love someone well when you don't agree with how they're living — whether that's an LGBTQ relationship, a situationship, a destructive pattern, or anything else. What does love require here? When do you say something? How do you say it? And what do you do when they don't listen? We're not pretending to have every answer. But we do believe leading with humility and love is never the wrong starting point.

He bought a house. You thought a ring was next. That was two years ago. This week we're in the listener questions and we're not being gentle about it — if he can't make a decision at 33, that tells you everything. We're also tackling whether you can build a life with someone who's a good person but not a believer. Spoiler: it's mango season.

Everyone's got a theory on why they're single — bad luck, no good options, wrong city. But what if the answer is a little closer to home? In this episode, Jess and Jonathan get into the real reasons people stay stuck in singleness — and none of them are what you think. From wanting it so bad you're pushing people away, to being too picky for the wrong reasons, to just not doing the inner work — they're keeping it honest. But they also flip the script: sometimes being single isn't a problem to solve. Sometimes it's a gift you're sleeping on. Tune in for the real talk, the laughs, and a reminder that God's timing isn't cruel — it's actually just better than yours.

What happens when love isn't enough to hold a marriage together? In this episode, we sit down with our close friends Julie and Miguel Cepeda — married eight years, parents, and two of the most honest people we know — as they take us through the full arc of their relationship. From a Tinder match in 2016 and a year of no contact, to a long distance relationship built on a lie, to a marriage that nearly ended on a late night walk around the block. Julie opens up about how her Type A personality and need for control slowly suffocated the marriage, and what it took for her to finally see her own role in their problems. Miguel shares what it felt like to carry a quiet identity crisis into a marriage he wasn't ready for, and the moment he finally pushed back. This one goes deep. They talk about financial stress, a miscarriage, a near divorce, and what it actually looks like to rebuild — not just as a couple but as individuals who had to grow up inside their marriage. If you've ever felt like you were carrying everything, or like your partner just doesn't get it, or if you've ever sat across from the person you love and wondered how you got here — this episode is for you.

We're revisiting one of our very first conversations — submission — but this time with almost four years of marriage under our belts. Back when we first talked about this, we were barely a year and a half in. A lot has changed. A lot has also stayed the same. In this episode, we get into what submission actually looks like in a real marriage, where it comes from in Scripture (hint: Ephesians 5 starts with mutual submission — men, that one's for you), and why the conversation is bigger than gender roles or who does the dishes. We also talk about the difference between personality and character, what it looks like to love your spouse when it's hard, and why gratitude might be the most underrated tool in a marriage. Plus — a little gym saga, Jacquez being dramatic for attention, and a question about what you'd do if your nephew called you from a police station with a Snickers situation. In this episode: Revisiting Submission or Slavery — where we started vs. where we are now What submission is not (and why men misquote Ephesians 5 constantly) Mutual submission and what it actually demands of husbands Growing up with different examples of gender roles — and how that shaped us Loving your spouse for who they are, not who you think they should be Raising kids to be self-sufficient, not gender-boxed Why praying for your spouse hits different than praying about them Between the Walls drops every Wednesday on YouTube and every Thursday on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Find us on Instagram @betweenthewallspod and subscribe to our Substack for the extended, unfiltered version.

In this honest and vulnerable conversation, Jess and Jonathan talk about a topic that doesn’t get discussed enough — backsliding. What does it really look like to drift from God? Is it a sudden fall, or a slow fade? And how do you find your way back? They share personal experiences and unpack: The difference between struggling with sin and becoming comfortable in it What it looks like to live a “double life” while still showing up to church How community and accountability help prevent spiritual drift Why some people walk away, while others feel pulled back to God The hope found in God’s grace, even when we run This episode is about the messy middle of faith — the tension between knowing the truth and not always living it, and the reminder that it’s never too late to come back. New episodes every Wednesday.

We’re back with a life update and answering some of the questions you all sent in! From navigating our fertility journey to talking about choosing your partner over Instagram, online dating, and everything in between—this episode is honest, unfiltered, and full of laughs. Whether you’re here for the wisdom or the wild takes, there’s something in this one for you.

Dating can be confusing, but setting standards doesn’t have to be! In this episode, we dive into the big questions—Do looks really matter? What are the biggest red flags? How do you define your non-negotiables? Whether you’re single, dating, or just figuring it all out, we’re having an honest, faith-filled conversation on what truly matters in relationships.

How do you know if it’s really God speaking to you? In this episode, we dive into what it means to recognize God’s voice in everyday life. From building a deeper relationship with Him to understanding the difference between His guidance and our own thoughts, we’re breaking down practical ways to tune in and listen. If you’ve ever wondered, Am I really hearing from God?—this episode is for you.

Explore the transformative power of ultimatums in relationships. From tough decisions to life-changing commitments, join us as we navigate the complexities of love, timing, and the pursuit of happiness.

Arguments are inevitable in any relationship, but how you handle them can make all the difference. In this episode, we open up about a particularly awkward fight we had in front of other people and what it taught us about arguing well. We’ll share practical tips for handling conflict with love, navigating hard conversations without causing unnecessary hurt, and learning to fight fair. Whether you’re in a relationship, married, or just looking to improve your communication skills, this episode is packed with real talk and helpful insights!

In this episode, we share an update on our fertility journey—the highs, the lows, and everything in between. We open up about the lessons we’ve learned during this season of waiting and how we’re leaning into God’s promises even when the answers aren’t clear. Join us as we discuss what it means to wait on God well, find hope in the midst of uncertainty, and trust His perfect timing for our lives. Whether you’re in a season of waiting or supporting someone who is, this conversation will encourage and inspire you to hold on to faith and grace through it all.

In this episode of “Between the Walls,”Jonathan and Jessica welcome special guests Matthew and Dana Harvey to share their remarkable journey of redemption, resilience, and love. Matthew and Dana open up about overcoming personal struggles, the role of faith in their transformation, and how they found healing and purpose in their marriage. This inspiring conversation covers the challenges they faced and the ways God’s grace led them from difficult circumstances to a thriving, Christ-centered relationship. Join us for an unforgettable episode filled with hope, vulnerability, and a testament to the power of love and faith in turning even the hardest situations into a foundation for a blessed marriage.