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What Every Broker Gets Wrong About Offshoring
Jun 23, 2026
34m 17s
She Walked Into a Room of 16 Male Brokers. They Asked Her Why She Was There.
Jun 19, 2026
47m 44s
Your First Property Should Be the Worst One You Ever Buy
Jun 16, 2026
49m 44s
Your Story IS Your Niche: How a $34K Teller Built a Community Empire
Jun 12, 2026
40m 31s
The Referral System That Built A Billion-Dollar Brokerage
Jun 9, 2026
49m 35s
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| 6/23/26 | ![]() What Every Broker Gets Wrong About Offshoring | Rushmi Shrestha is the General Manager of Flint Engine, running the entire support team behind Australia's fastest-growing mortgage brokerage. Rushmi manages an 80-person team across app docs, loan processing, credit, compliance, HR, training and tech; and is directly responsible for growing headcount 1000% in a single year! This conversation pulls back the curtain on what actually goes into building an offshore operation that works. Rushmi breaks down why culture, not systems, is the hardest thing to maintain at speed, how Flint Engine achieved ISO certification to solve data security at scale, and why she believes most Australian brokers are treating offshore talent as a back-office function when they could be building a fully capable team. If you're a broker thinking about offshore support, or curious what it takes to build a back-end operation that holds together at pace, this one will give you a real picture. Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Rushmi Shrestha: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rushmi-shrestha-1902951b4/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_rushmi.s_/ | 34m 17s | ||||||
| 6/19/26 | ![]() She Walked Into a Room of 16 Male Brokers. They Asked Her Why She Was There. | Niti Bhargava is the founder and principal broker of GB Financial, arrived in Australia at 20 with three master's degrees, was rejected from 26 jobs before landing a teller role at Bankwest, and spent the next 13 years climbing through CBA from teller to direct lender. But even with all the success she has, Niti left banking in 2020 and started building GB Financial on a tagline most brokers wouldn't dare put on their website: ethical lending, community first. This conversation goes well beyond the loan book. Niti talks about the financial literacy program she runs for migrated women, sessions that started with 60 women from Indian, African, Arabic and European backgrounds in a local MP's office, and now run quarterly with 40-50 attendees, supported by registered translators and local council funding. She also opens up about the cultural weight of being one of two daughters in a family where sons were considered assets and daughters liabilities, why her 16-year-old son is her biggest mirror and motivation, and what legacy actually means to her beyond the business. If you're a broker thinking about community impact, or curious what it looks like to build something meaningful alongside a profitable business, this one's worth your time. 1:05 — From India to Australia at 20 — Three Masters, No Job, and the First Break 3:17 — 13 Years at CBA — Teller to Direct Lender and the Shift to 24/7 Lending 10:14 — Financial Literacy for Migrated Women — How It Started and Why the Gap Is Bigger Than Language 12:14 — The Wake-Up Call Story — A Woman, $650K in Debt and a Husband Who Disappeared 20:01 — The Franchise Exit — Rebuilding From Zero Clients in 2024 23:07 — The Nurse Who Never Looked at a Bank Statement — 35 Years, No Plan, and the Turning Point 27:09 — Awards and Recognition — Governor's Award 2024 and Business Victoria Feature 28:11 — Why She Left CBA — Burnout, Diagnosis and the Decision to Go Alone 34:09 — Owning Your Strengths — Why She Refuses to Apologise for Who She Is 36:15 — What Legacy Really Means — Her 16-Year-Old Son, Accountability and the "Why" 41:39 — Ethical Lending, Community First — Why She Never Wanted to Be "Another Broker" Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Niti Bhargava: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niti-bhargava-mipa-afa-92ab79b2/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/niti2857/ | 47m 44s | ||||||
| 6/16/26 | ![]() Your First Property Should Be the Worst One You Ever Buy | Lauren Franzmann is a finance broker at Flint, based in Newcastle, and a founding member of Sheinvest. At 23, she's already five years deep in an industry where most people take a decade to see what she's seen in two. She fell into broking through a Facebook ad for a loan processing role while studying economics at Newcastle Uni, and is now working alongside one of Flint's top brokers, handling first home buyers, investors and everything in between on a team processing over 1,000 applications a year. This conversation covers how she got here, and where she's taking it. Lauren breaks down what she's learned seeing "everything there is to see" in two years, why time management (not knowledge) is the biggest challenge at this volume, and how Flint's Newcastle office is structured across local and offshore teams aiming for a billion-dollar book. She talks about her own property strategy, targeting blue-chip growth areas with development potential, working alongside a builder partner who can add value most investors can't, and why she tells every first home buyer the same thing: this isn't your dream home, it's your worst one. She also opens up about Sheinvest, the initiative she co-founded to get more women into property investing, why retention, not entry, is the real issue for women in broking, and what the next 12 months of events, webinars and content look like. If you're a young broker wondering what's possible early in your career, or a woman thinking about property but not sure where to start, this one's for you. 1:49 — Two Years, Everything Seen — The Variety That Took Her From 0 to 100 3:19 — Time, Not Knowledge — The Real Challenge at This Volume 8:17 — What Is SheInvest — Inspiring Women Into Property Investing 13:18 — The Property Strategy — Blue-Chip Growth, Development Potential and a Builder Partner 20:50 — FY27 Plans for SheInvest — Webinars, Events and a Daily Content Push 23:13 — Women in Broking — Why Retention, Not Entry, Is the Real Problem 26:02 — Advice for Women Starting Out — Connection Over Competition 28:05 — The $1 Billion Target — Flint Newcastle's Growth Plan and Team Culture 32:33 — Becoming an Advisor, Not Just a Broker — SMSF, Commercial and Equity Strategies 47:03 — Why Your First Property Should Be the Worst One You'll Ever Buy Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Lauren Franzmann: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-franzmann4010999/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurenfranzmann/ | 49m 44s | ||||||
| 6/12/26 | ![]() Your Story IS Your Niche: How a $34K Teller Built a Community Empire | Paritosh Wadhwani is the principal broker and director of APW Finance. He’s a migrant from India who arrived with no job, talked his way into ANZ as a part-time teller, and worked his way to commercial lending manager in just under three years. Paritosh breaks down what bankers actually want to see in a submission and why most brokers are presenting deals in a way that makes the assessor's job harder, not easier. He also unpacks how he structures his team across Sydney and India, why he's focusing on clients who want to go from two properties to ten, and what it actually looks like to build a brokerage while running a development business on the side. Paritosh talks candidly about the migrant experience, arriving with nothing, the pressure of building the Australian dream from scratch, and why that background has become one of his biggest advantages with clients. If you're a broker trying to understand complex lending, property investing, or what it looks like to build something real over a long period of time, this one's worth your time. 1:07 — From Scaffolding Sales to ANZ — Why He Took a Pay Cut Everyone Called Stupid 6:05 — What Banks Actually Want — How to Present a Deal So the Assessor Can Say Yes 9:06 — The Indian Migrant Client Opportunity — Why 60% of His Book Is Indian Heritage and What That Means 12:29 — Building an 11-Property Portfolio — The Duplex Rinse-and-Repeat Model and the Mentor Who Changed Everything 14:52 — Buying Interstate in Perth in 2021 — Why He Was Hesitant and Why It Was the Right Call 18:15 — Development Realities — Why Things Never Go to Plan and Where the Numbers Are Breaking Down Now 23:06 — Team Structure — Sydney Office, Three Direct Hires in India and a Marketing Agency 33:17 — FY27 Plans — Scaling the Team, Mentoring New Brokers and Moving to a Strategy-First Model 35:04 — Telling a Client Not to Buy — Why the Right Advice Isn't Always the Transaction Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Paritosh Wadhwani: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paritosh-wadhwani/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/apwfinance/ | 40m 31s | ||||||
| 6/9/26 | ![]() The Referral System That Built A Billion-Dollar Brokerage | Ruan Burger is the founder of Success and Broker and one of the most credible voices in Australian mortgage broking. As a former top 1% broker, he settled 367 deals in a single year out of a regional town of 44,000 people and built a $1 billion brokerage. Ruan breaks down the growth framework he uses with every client and why writing business is easy but finding business is hard. He also unpacks what the $3–5 million broker needs to stop doing, how more staff often slows you down before it speeds you up, and why the bank is your credit team when you don't have one yet. If you're a broker at any stage of the journey, this one will recalibrate how you think about growth. 1:00 — Starting in Gladstone — 44,000 People, 367 Deals, and What Structure Actually Taught Him 8:45 — What's Ahead for Success and Broker — Succession Planning and Why You Need It Before Things Go Wrong 11:21 — The Three-Stage Coaching Model — Growth, Scale and Established — and What Each One Actually Needs 14:12 — The Art vs The Science of Coaching — Why Good Brokers Often Can't Teach 17:26 — The 2–4–6–10 Growth Framework — The Roadmap From New Broker to Top 1% 26:23 — $3–5M Broker Playbook — Less Is More, Hiring for Roles and Letting the Right People Go 30:03 — Grow With the Flow — Credit Analyst to Senior Broker and Why Every Support Person Should Be Able to Write 42:26 — If You Had to Start Again Today — The Perfect Roadmap to the Top 1% as Fast as Possible Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Ruan Burger: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruan-burger-broker-coach/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/successandbroker/ | 49m 35s | ||||||
| 6/3/26 | ![]() This Broker Generates 1,000+ Warm Leads a Year From TikTok - Here’s How You Can Too | Ashley Van Rosmalen is a 26-year-old asset finance broker and the founder of Noma Finance. She started her business from a bedroom in Adelaide, took a yacht chef job in Croatia to pay the bills, and was scrambling eggs in a galley while fielding car loan enquiries from her old Mazda clients. When she returned to Australia she decided to go all in on TikTok and Instagram, and is now one of the top 0.5% of car finance creators on TikTok, generating 20 inbound bookings a week as a solo operation. Ashley breaks down why she borrowed her brand strategy from outside the broking industry entirely, how she turned her Mazda dealership background into her strongest content hook, why most brokers pick the wrong niche for the wrong reasons, and what she'd do differently if she started again. If you're a young broker trying to cut through a saturated market, or wondering what's actually possible when you back yourself and go all in, this one will show you. 1:00 — The Origin Story — Starting Noma in a Bedroom While Cooking on a Catamaran in Croatia 3:57 — Going All In on Noma — TikTok, Instagram and the Strategy Behind the Brand 5:23 — Niche Done Right — Why She Stopped Chasing MedFin and Leaned Into What She Already Had 7:29 — TikTok Results — Top 0.5% in Car Finance, 20 Bookings a Week, Near-Zero Ad Spend 10:25 — The 10-Touch-Point Rule — Why Inbound Leads Close Differently 13:29 — Team Building at 26 — Lending Assistant, Commercial Broker, Social Media Manager 17:01 — FY27 Plans — Online Applications, Back-End Systems and Where Noma Is Heading 19:30 — Google Reviews Over Commission Slips — Client Lifetime Value and Why Stickiness Beats Volume 36:12 — Buying at 21 Against Everyone's Advice — $347K Unit, Now Worth $600K Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Ashley Van Rosmale: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashley-van-rosmalen-4450b0153/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashley_vanrosmalen/ | 42m 36s | ||||||
| 5/27/26 | ![]() From Architect to Leading a $150M in Mortgage Business | Joanna James | Joanna James is the Chief Development Officer of the FBAA, a licensed architect, former mortgage manager, published author, and one of the most quietly formidable people in Australian financial services. She co-built a mortgage management business to 140 people and $150 million/month before most of the industry had even heard of offshore processing. Then she walked away, went to India, wrote a book, built Australia's first Bio home, and eventually joined the FBAA because she wanted to contribute to something bigger than herself. But this conversation goes well beyond the résumé. Joanna unpacks what she's actually building at the FBAA: a four-stage broker development framework spanning new broker to exit broker, why the industry's approach to mentorship is still fundamentally broken, and what the coming wave of consolidation and AI disruption means for brokers who haven't yet defined what their real value is. She talks candidly about what holds women back in the industry, and why she believes it's less about external barriers than the internal ones, and gets into her concept of human ROI and why the old model of profitability at the expense of people is finished. If you're building something in this industry or trying to figure out where it's all heading, this one will make you think differently. 2:55 — Building to 140 People and $150M a Month — And One of the First Offshore Operations in the Industry 6:28 — The Divorce, the Break, and the Book — What Happened Between Mortgages and the FBAA 8:32 — Why She Joined the FBAA — Moving Laterally to Move Forward 10:16 — What's Really Holding Women Back in Broking — Imposter Syndrome, Physiology and the Internal Barrier 16:43 — The 4-Stage Broker Development Framework — New, Grey, Scale and Exit Broker 24:32 — Leadership, Responsibility and Showing Up — What a Third Grade Lesson Taught Her About Leading People 29:45 — Presenting on Stage, 76 Flights a Year, and How to Not Burn Out Doing It 34:04 — Burning Man, Byron Bay and the Reset Button — What Nobody Knew About Her Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Joanna James: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanna-james-84a34b2b/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joannajames_illuminate/ | 36m 57s | ||||||
| 5/20/26 | ![]() How to Scale a Mortgage Brokerage Without Burning Out? | Matt Turner is a partner at GSC Finance in Geelong, a former financial planner who talked his way into a banking role, spent five years earning his stripes as a relationship manager (amongst other roles), and built his way to business partner without ever being handed anything. In the last 12 months alone, GSC has rebranded, moved offices, launched a sub-aggregation arm, added asset finance, and hired a marketing manager. The momentum is real. But this conversation goes well beyond the business build. Matt talks candidly about the decision to move to Loan Market partner and why they fully committed to their aggregator rather than just staying for the licence, the outsourcing mistake that cost them 12 months of growth, and why he believes Australia has roughly twice as many brokers as it needs. He gets into the complex and commercial lending niche he's deliberately building toward, and why he thinks the brokers who can't do it will be the first ones replaced. Then he opens up about something most people in this industry never say out loud. Two suicide attempts. An ADHD diagnosis that explained a lot. And what it's actually taken, not just what worked, to get to the other side of it. He's not sharing it for sympathy. He's sharing it because he thinks the industry's approach to mental health is still mostly a corporate tick-box, and someone needs to say it plainly. If you're building something or quietly struggling behind the numbers, this one is worth your time. 3:19 — How GSC Finance Was Built — From Two Partners to 20+ People Across Two Countries 8:05 — The Sub-Aggregation Decision — Why They Built a Second Business Inside the Business 13:50 — FY27 Growth Plan — Tightening the Screws and Targeting the Right Market 16:25 — The Outsourcing Mistake That Cost 12 Months of Growth 21:24 — Building the Team — Who's In the Business and Why Each Person Matters 27:24 — Stepping Into a Leadership and Partnership Role — Earning the Right to Own It 31:29 — Raising the Standard of Broking — Why There Are Too Many Brokers and a Broken Mentorship System 39:34 — Matt Opens Up About Mental Health — Two Suicide Attempts, ADHD Diagnosis, and the Long Road Back 46:40 — Why "Are You Okay?" Once a Year Is Not Enough — And What Actually Helps Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Matt Turner: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-turner-20a42693/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/geelongbroker/ | 51m 14s | ||||||
| 5/13/26 | ![]() Why Mortgage Broking Is One of the Best Careers for Work-Life Balance | Pete Davies is a mortgage broker based in Lake Macquarie — a former big four business banker turned underground coal miner, who rebuilt his life from scratch after a separation during Covid and came back to finance with a clarity most brokers never find. This conversation goes well beyond the loan book. Pete opens up about why he deliberately chose not to go it alone — selecting a mentor with 30 years of experience, negotiating a commission split his peers called remarkable, and building his business around being a present father to two daughters rather than chasing volume. He unpacks his philosophy on debt as a tool for freedom rather than a rate-shopping exercise, why he turned down clients early on that would have cost him more than they paid, and how a coal mining background taught him more about resilience and teamwork than any sales training ever could. He also gets into the habits that underpin everything — time blocking, morning routines, the pen-and-paper end-of-day list that sets up tomorrow's quick wins — and why he believes momentum is built through small consistent actions, not big swings. If you're new to broking, thinking about the transition from banking, or trying to build something sustainable without burning out, this one's worth your time. 1:07 — From Big Four Banking to Underground Coal Mining 3:15 — 18 Months In — The Reality of the Building Phase 6:23 — Choosing the Right Mentor — What Pete Was Looking For 10:26 — FY27 Vision — Building for Sustainability, Not Volume 13:06 — How Separation Reshaped Everything 20:36 — Debt as a Tool for Freedom — Not a Rate-Shopping Exercise 24:14 — What Success Actually Looks Like at 40 29:32 — What Worked and What He'd Never Do Again 36:40 — The Mentor Selection Process — Face to Face, Experience Over Convenience 43:03 — Mindset, Mental Health and Daily Discipline 48:36 — If You Had to Start Again — The One Thing He'd Do Differently Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Pete Davies: Website: https://www.petedaviesbroker.com.au/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/petedaviesbroker/ | 51m 40s | ||||||
| 5/6/26 | ![]() The Attention Economy: Why the Broker Who Shows Up Online Wins All the Clients | Robbo Roper is the founder of Trusted Finance and arguably the most followed finance mind in Australia — 1.7 million followers across TikTok, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube, built entirely without spending a single dollar on advertising. But his origin story isn't what you'd expect. He spent a decade as a high school maths teacher, built a 15-staff tutoring centre on the side, and only stumbled into mortgage broking when Covid shut his business down overnight and his income went to zero. This conversation goes well beyond the follower count. Robbo breaks down exactly how he went from posting one video a day hoping for one lead a month, to generating 500–750 qualified leads per week through a 30-question intake form that filters out everyone who isn't serious. He gets into his three-pillar content framework — education, entertainment, inspiration — why he deliberately made himself harder to contact, how he turned 11 hero videos into 40–60 daily posts across every platform, and the fork-in-the-road decision that transformed him from mortgage broker into a full-scale marketing business. If you're a broker trying to figure out social media, or wondering what's actually possible with consistency over five years, this one will reset your benchmark. 1:05 — From maths teacher to mortgage broker — how Covid shutting down a 15-staff tutoring centre sparked the pivot 7:21 — The turning point - The moment Robbo knew social media had changed everything 13:08 — The 6,900 posts framework - why consistency is the only secret 19:00 — The 3-pillar content strategy — education, entertainment and inspiration, and how to hijack the For You page across every platform 24:57 — Live content creation demo — Robbo films a real video in real time showing the hook-problem-solution structure, segment-by-segment filming and in-app editing 35:05 — 40–60 posts per day from 11 hero videos — the repurposing system, trial reels, and the fatherhood video that hit 48M views and generated 70,000 followers overnight 41:34 — What most brokers are doing wrong — reactive content, RBA-day-only posting, and why the willingness to fail is the real barrier 45:14 — The brand risk nobody talks about — running Trusted Finance solo with zero staff, the "if you die tomorrow" question, and what the next chapter looks like Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Robbo Roper: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbo-roper-online-marketing-expert-88a56024b/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trusted.finance/ | 48m 57s | ||||||
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| 4/29/26 | ![]() Can a Single Parent Build a Brokerage From Scratch and Still Be There for Their Kids? | Kaylene Edwards is the managing director of Flexify and one of the more honest, self-made stories to come through Beyond The Numbers. She grew up in commission housing, bartended her way through her twenties, and bought her first property at 21 — sleeping in her car between shifts to save the deposit. She later moved into banking as an assessor, watched brokers submit loan after loan, and eventually thought: I can do this better. So she did. Flexify was born, and she's been building it ever since — as a single mum, without a mentor, figuring it out in real time. But this conversation goes well beyond the origin story. Kaylene talks candidly about what it really takes to build a broking business from scratch — the social media strategy she's used from day one, why she'd rather get six likes from the right people than a million views from the wrong ones, and how she's doubling her team heading into FY27. She opens up about building a niche she didn't choose — self-employed borrowers and property investors — and how 20% of her Brisbane-based book ended up in Kalgoorlie. She also gets into what she believes is holding women back from staying in broking, and what a genuine solution to that might look like. If you're a broker trying to build something real from nothing, or just want a reminder of what backing yourself actually looks like — this one's for you. 1:13 Working as an Assessor — Watching Brokers and Thinking She Could Do It Better 7:13 The Moment She Saw What Brokers Got Paid 13:22 FY27 Plans — Doubling the Team and Launching Paid Ads 16:40 Social Media Ad Strategy — What She's Actually Testing 19:23 Do You Want Exposure or Do You Want to Get Rich? 24:27 The Hardest Parts Nobody Warns You About 29:09 Why Women Leave Broking — and Her Idea to Fix It 35:26 AI and Automation — What's Actually Saving Her Time 48:29 Sleeping in Her Car to Save Her First Property Deposit Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Kaylene Edwards: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kayleneedwards/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/flexify.au/ | 55m 13s | ||||||
| 4/22/26 | ![]() Why 2026 Might Be the Best Time in History to Be a Mortgage Broker | Simon Lewis is the founder of Broker Capital, a trail book lender built specifically for mortgage brokers who want to grow — without selling what they've spent years building. In this episode, Simon unpacks how trail book funding actually works, why most brokers don't realise they're sitting on a borrowable asset, and how Broker Capital is funding deals in as little as two days. He breaks down the four main reasons brokers come to him — growing a team, buying out a partner, acquiring another book, or consolidating debt — and why the banks simply won't touch most of these situations. But this conversation goes deeper than product. Simon shares what a high-quality trail book actually looks like under the hood — loan age, clawback rates, run-off, growth trajectory — and why the average book transacted at nearly 3x in FY25. He talks about the consolidation wave reshaping Australian broking, why the smaller operators are feeling the squeeze, and what ambitious brokers should be doing right now to capitalise on it. He also opens up about what it's really like being four months into building a business from scratch — wearing every hat, figuring it out in real time, and why he believes the broking industry is in a golden window that won't last forever. If you're a mortgage broker sitting on a trail book and wondering what your next move is — this one's for you. 3:45 The Beginner's Guide to Trail Book Funding 9:00 Acquisitions 101: Buying a Book With $0 Out of Pocket 12:40 What Makes a Good Borrower — and Who Gets Declined 19:10 The 4 Reasons Brokers Come to Broker Capital 23:15 What Makes a High-Quality Trail Book (Run-Off, Clawbacks, Loan Age) 25:20 Biggest Clawback Horror Stories 30:25 Generalist vs Specialist: Where the Industry Is Heading 33:00 The Long-Term Vision for Broker Capital Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Simon Lewis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlewisbrokercapital/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/simonlewis_brokercapital/ | 38m 59s | ||||||
| 4/15/26 | ![]() The Traineeship Model That Produces $100 Million Brokers From Inside Your Own Business | Chris Raymond, founder of Unconditional Finance, joins Christian Stevens on this week's episode of Beyond The Numbers. With 25 years across banking and broking — from loan documentation and credit analysis to becoming a #1 BDM nationally — Chris built Unconditional Finance from a single relationship that generated $67 million in his first year as a broker. But it wasn't overnight. From going all-in on one referral partner after lying about his experience to building a 25-person team running over $300 million a year, Chris opens up about the deliberate, unglamorous decisions behind that growth — the foundations-first philosophy, why he refused to blow up his back office chasing volume, and how he's used an internal traineeship model to promote brokers who write $60–70 million in their first year. He also talks about the equity conversations nobody has with their team, what it actually takes to step off the tools, and why he still believes relationship-based business will always outperform the social media lead machine. If you're a mortgage broker, brokerage owner, or anyone building something in financial services from the ground up — this one's for you. 4:55 $67M in Year One — From One Referral Partner He Lied To 7:00 How Unconditional Finance Grew to 25 People 10:30 Managing Gen Z Brokers: Cuddles vs. Boot Camps 13:15 Why Brokers Need to Specialise (Not Just Settle Loans) 17:00 The Back-Office Philosophy That Stopped Him Blowing Up 21:30 Getting Off the Tools: The Traineeship-to-Broker Pipeline 26:00 Equity, Ownership, and Keeping Your Best People 29:00 Writing 300M and Still Up at 4:30am: The Real Cost of Big Numbers 33:00 Expansion Plans, Acquisition Offer, and What's Next for 2027 38:00 Three Referral Partners, 14 Properties, and His Biggest Investing Mistake Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Chris Raymond: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raymond-chris/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chris_unconditionalfinance/ | 53m 00s | ||||||
| 4/8/26 | ![]() How 1,000+ Mortgage Brokers Are Earning Extra Revenue Without Extra Clients | Julian Fayad, Founder and CEO of LoanOptions.ai, joins Christian Stevens on this week's episode of Beyond The Numbers. As Australia's first AI-powered loan comparison platform, FBAA Industry Champion of the Year, and a Deloitte Tech Fast 50 company, Julian has been building AI in financial services since 2020 — years before it was mainstream. He joins Christian to unpack the full story of how it happened. But it wasn't a straight line. From building a loan matching engine in an Excel spreadsheet at midnight, to walking away from a publicly listed company during COVID with nothing but his non-compete removed, Julian opens up about what it really took to build LoanOptions.ai from the ground up into a team of 35 with operations in Australia and New Zealand. He speaks candidly about the difference between AI hype and AI that actually works, why he refused to let lenders pay to rank higher on his platform, and the coming product releases he believes will triple the business in 12 months. This episode is a rare look inside one of Australia's most exciting fintech companies — and the obsessive, uncompromising founder who built it. If you're a mortgage broker, business owner, or anyone curious about where AI in lending is actually headed, this one's for you. 3:15 - From Admin to State Manager: Julian's Path Into Finance 6:00 - The Midnight Excel Spreadsheet That Started It All 8:16 - Why COVID Changed Everything — and Led to LoanOptions.ai 11:30 - Refusing to Let Lenders Pay to Rank Higher on the Platform 13:00 - From B2C to B2B2C: Finding the Business Model That Actually Works 20:45 - What "AI Native Business" Actually Means (and Why It Matters) 29:32 - Team Culture: How Julian Runs a Team of 35 Mid-to-Late 20s 37:54 - What's Coming Next: New Products, NZ Expansion & the Partnership That Could Triple the Business Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Julian Fayad: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianfayad/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianfayad/ | 48m 07s | ||||||
| 4/1/26 | ![]() How This Broker Got 2.7 Million Views Without Spending a Dollar | Leigh Morris, mortgage broker and founder of SFP Financial, joins Christian Stevens on this week's episode of Beyond The Numbers. As a former financial planner turned content creator, Leigh has built a following of 50,000+ across social media, hit 2.7 million views on a single video, and books out his calendar weeks in advance — all without spending a dollar on ads. But the journey wasn't overnight. From posting every week for months with barely any views, to making a personal promise he wouldn't stop until a video hit a million — Leigh opens up about what it really takes to build a brand from scratch while running a lifestyle brokerage by design. He speaks candidly about the mistakes, the grind, and the decisions he'd do differently — including why he'd never buy a loan book again, and how he built an offshore team that handles 600 client reviews a year so he doesn't have to. This episode is an honest look at content, consistency, and what it means to build a business around your life — not the other way around. 5:12 - Why a Financial Planning Background Makes You a Better Broker 10:45 - Starting From Zero: Posting Every Week With Barely Any Views 16:36 - How Viral Content Converts Into Booked Meetings 22:13 - Designing a Lifestyle Business: The Team Structure Behind SFP Financial 30:10 - The Offshore Team System & 600 Client Reviews a Year 35:47 - What He'd Do Differently: Why He'd Never Buy a Loan Book Again 38:23 - FY27 Goals: Paid Ads, More Content & Stepping Back From the Day-to-Day Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Leigh Morris: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leighjmorris/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/financial.leigh/ | 41m 57s | ||||||
| 3/25/26 | ![]() Niche Brokerage: How to Scale to $80M by Owning One Community | From arriving in Australia with just $1,500 in his pocket to becoming the #1 mortgage broker for the Nepalese community — Raj Sapkota’s story is one of relentless grit, smart strategy, and playing to your strength. In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with Raj to unpack the immigrant mindset that turned a cleaner's wage into a multi-million dollar property portfolio and a thriving broking business settling $80 million this year. Raj shares the raw truth behind his early broking years — bad mentors, no support, and having to figure it out alone — and how turning those struggles into content became his greatest business weapon. From a viral investor journey video that flooded his phone with 30+ calls a day, to posting property education every morning before 5am, Raj's strategy is as disciplined as it is authentic. His philosophy is simple: educate first, sell never — and the results speak for themselves. If you're a mortgage broker, property investor, or aspiring entrepreneur trying to build something from nothing, this one's for you. 1:01 — Raj's Story: $1,500 & A One-Way Ticket to Australia 8:08 — "Property Is Shelter in Nepal, Wealth in Australia" — the mindset shift that changed everything 13:35 — Niching Down: Why Raj Went All-In on the Nepalese Community 15:30 — The Viral Video That Generated 30+ Calls a Day 26:37 — Why Raj Chose Flint Over Building His Own Business 31:34 — The Mentorship Crisis — what went wrong before finding the right support 35:22 — On Track for Top 1% — what's next for Raj in 2025 Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Raj Sapkota: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajkumarsapkota/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/raj_mortgage_broker/ | 36m 45s | ||||||
| 3/18/26 | ![]() 19 Suicides in 1 Year: The Dark Side of the Mortgage Industry | Rhianna Farnan, Chief Communications Officer at Derwent Finance and mental health advocate, joins Christian Stevens on this week's episode of Beyond The Numbers. As FBAA Tasmania State President, Artemis Ambassador, and the 2025 Better Business Awards Thought Leader of the Year, Rhianna shares the story behind building one of Australia's leading mortgage broking firms - starting from a bedroom at just 18 years old. But the journey wasn’t smooth.From a failed Melbourne expansion that nearly brought the business undone, to pioneering TikTok for mortgage brokers and generating more than 150 leads a month, Rhianna opens up about what it really takes to build something over a decade. She speaks candidly about the mistakes, the pressure, and the moment things almost collapsed - including a time when the business was struggling so much they couldn’t afford to buy groceries. This episode is a raw look at resilience, rebuilding, and what it takes to keep going when everything feels like it’s falling apart. If you're a mortgage broker, business owner, or anyone building something from scratch, this one's for you. 5:13 — The Melbourne Expansion That Nearly Destroyed Everything 8:17 — Running a Business With Your Partner: The Honest Truth 11:30 — Why She Founded a Mental Health Event for the Industry 19:07 — How TikTok Became Their Biggest Lead Source (150/Month) 22:29 — Viral ≠ Leads: The Content Strategy That Actually Works 31:42 — How the Back Office Is Structured (Offshore, Settlements, PA) 36:23 — The First Date Was a Disaster — Here's What Changed 39:19 — Balancing Ambition, Kids & Knowing When to Step Back 50:10 — Where the Mortgage Broking Industry Is Heading Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Rhianna Farnan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhianna-farnan-055a2716b/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/rhiannafarnan/ | 52m 21s | ||||||
| 3/11/26 | ![]() Can Women Do It All? Building a Brokerage While Raising a Family | Melissa Procajlo, founder of Pro Good Finance, began her career in project management within the mining sector, working on large-scale quarry and infrastructure projects across Australia. The role demanded long hours, tough environments, and resilience - lessons that would later shape the way she approaches business. In this episode of Beyond The Numbers, Mel shares how she transitioned into mortgage broking and eventually launched her own brokerage after nearly a decade in the industry. But this conversation goes beyond business. Mel talks openly about what it really takes to build something meaningful while raising a young family - balancing motherhood, business ownership, and the realities of entrepreneurship. She also reflects on the importance of having a strong partner beside you, and how the choices you make as a family shape the life and business you build together. In this conversation we talk about the resilience Mel developed working in mining, what it was really like leaving a top brokerage to start her own business, and the responsibility that comes with building a team who trusted her vision. She also shares why the best businesses are built on relationships, not chasing leads, the simple strategy behind the 8-10 referral partners who now drive most of her business, and why consistency beats any growth strategy every time. If you're a broker thinking about going out on your own, building your referral network, or just trying to show up better every day - this one's for you. 0:00 - From Mining Sites to Mortgage Broking 4:12 - Launching Pro Good Finance: The Leap & The Fear 9:01 - How Mel Became a "Super Mum" (Her Honest Answer) 13:27 - Buying a House Without Pre-Approval (Broker Confesses) 15:44 - Building the Team: Offshore Staff & Hiring Her Brother 18:21 - Biggest Year Ever in Her First Year of Business 25:20 - Why You Need a Village to Raise a Business 33:56 - The Referral Mistake That Wasted 5 Years 38:28 - Social Media, Content & Standing Out in 2025 41:59 - The One Thing Every New Broker Must DoL earn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Melissa Procajlo: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissaprocajlo/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/melprocajlo_broker/ | 47m 32s | ||||||
| 2/27/26 | ![]() How to Scale a Brokerage to $1 Billion a Year | In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with Ben Robinson, Flint Director, top 1% broker, and the man building Newcastle's first billion-dollar brokerage. Ben shares his unconventional journey from mustering 20,000 cattle on a 2.5 million acre station in the Northern Territory to becoming one of the highest-performing brokers in Australia. He reveals how he built a team structure that allowed him to take 5 weeks completely off without answering a single call or email, why he's targeting $300M in settlements this year, and the exact tech stack and systems that let his team handle 13 new enquiries in a single day. Whether you're a broker looking to scale past the $50-100M ceiling, trying to build a team that runs without you, or searching for the habits and routines that separate the top 1% from everyone else, this conversation is packed with actionable insights from someone who's actually done it. 0:00 - Introduction: Meet the top 1% broker building Newcastle's first billion-dollar brokerage 1:39 - From jackaroo mustering 20,000 cattle to mortgage broking 5:02 - Inside his team structure: The "pod within a pod" model 12:02 - How his team handles 13 new enquiries in a single day 20:24 - The hardest part: Transitioning from broker to leader 28:59 - The "Third Space" concept: How he switches off after work 35:09 - Announcement: Ben is now a partner at Flint 44:43 - 2025 targets: $300M settled this year, half a billion next year Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Ben Robinson: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben--robinson/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/benrobinson_flint/ | 49m 44s | ||||||
| 2/19/26 | ![]() 13,000 Brokers Use His Platform: Here's How He Revolutionised a $400 Billion Dollar Industry | In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with Eric Dill, the co-founder of Quickli - the tech platform that has revolutionised how over 13,000 mortgage brokers assess serviceability across 35+ lenders. Eric shares the unfiltered story of building Quickli from a spreadsheet proof-of-concept to the industry's most essential tool, why he's never raised a single dollar of outside capital, and how he's been working Australian hours (6pm-2am) from the US for three years straight. He also reveals what's coming next with Quickli Pro, including their AI-powered credit analyst "Jiffy," and why becoming an aggregator is NOT on the cards. Whether you're a broker curious about the tech transforming your workflow, or an entrepreneur wondering how to build something essential without outside funding, this conversation delivers. 0:00 - Introduction: The man who revolutionised a $400 billion industry 5:43 - Quickli Pro launch: AI tools, Jiffy, and what's coming next 11:35 - Will lenders return to asset finance? The future of the industry 24:28 - Early days: From free trial to flipping the payment switch 27:17 - Never raised capital: How they bootstrapped to 40+ employees 31:48 - Business partnerships are a marriage: How Eric and Angus make it work 40:45 - How Quickli is levelling the playing field for smaller brokers Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Eric Dill: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericraydill/ | 47m 39s | ||||||
| 2/11/26 | ![]() Bought Her First Property at 18 | In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with Sinead Grant - a FlintDirector and one of the most exciting young brokers coming through the industry. At just 22, Sinead has already built a portfolio of two investment properties, is on track for five by 25, and has grown a personal brand from scratch by simply putting herself out there and creating consistent content. She shares the exact social media system she uses to generate multiple enquiries per week, how she can film 20 videos in an hour with nothing more than an iPhone, and why she believes rentvesting is one of the most realistic ways for young Australians to get into the property market. Whether you’re feeling priced out, thinking about investing, or considering a career in broking, this is a practical and honest conversation with someone who’s actually doing it. 0:00 — Meet the FlintDirector, who's chasing 5 properties by 25 4:06 — The rent-vesting strategy that changed everything 10:05 — Live demo: Creating a video on the spot with just an iPhone 14:20 — From zero leads to multiple inquiries per week in 90 days 16:47 — Big goals: Third property, SheInvests, and 6-10M monthly settlements 25:03 — Why educating young women on property matters 34:28 — Advice for new brokers: Find a mentor and just start. Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Sinead Grant: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sinead-grant-718647241/ Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/grantmefinance/ | 47m 16s | ||||||
| 2/4/26 | ![]() From Cold Calling to One of Australia’s Leading Brokers | In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with Max Harris, Associate Director at Azura Finance - one of Australia’s leading brokerages - and a 7x Top 100 Broker. Max shares how he went from being a part-time uni student cold-calling buyers at open homes to settling over $300M in loans this year, backed by a lean but highly effective team. Whether you’re a new broker chasing your first deal, or an experienced operator looking to scale without burning out, Max breaks down what actually works - hiring offshore vs onshore, building long-term referral relationships, managing client expectations, and preparing for an AI-driven future in lending. This is a practical, honest conversation about growth, pressure, and building something that lasts. 0:00 – Introduction: Meet Max Harris, 7x Top 100 Broker & Azura's Associate Director 5:15 – Azura's Growth Story: From 4 people to 50 staff across two floors in Double Bay 8:02 – The Multi-Mentor Approach: Why one mentor isn't enough for elite performance 12:23 – Team Structure Breakdown: Offshore vs onshore hires and the $50M junior broker mistake 19:03 – The Numbers: $130M → $200M → $300M in 3 years (and the systems behind it) 26:42 – Tech Stack Confession: Why a $300M broker still runs on Google Sheets + AI "James" 30:14 – Future-Proofing Your Business: Why simple PAYG loans will be eaten by AI 38:35 – Trust Lending Crackdown: What the recent policy changes mean for investors 42:22 – Career Advice: Hire earlier, build fewer but deeper referral relationships, slow down proposals Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Max Harris: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxharrisazurafinancial/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maxharris_____/ | 43m 56s | ||||||
| 1/28/26 | ![]() Will AI Take Our Jobs? | David Hyman - Co-Founder, Lendi Group, reveals how AI is fundamentally reshaping the mortgage broking industry. With a $107 billion loan book and 1,400 brokers under management, David shares the inside story of merging two major brands, building AI agents that analyse 600-page contracts in under two minutes, and why brokers who don't adapt may not survive the next five years. From taking top brokers on study tours to Anthropic, Nvidia and Salesforce in San Francisco, to deploying AI voice agents that increased customer engagement from 17% to 80%, this episode breaks down the practical reality of going "AI native" in financial services. Whether you're a mortgage broker, business owner, or just curious about how AI is changing traditional industries, this conversation offers a rare look inside one of Australia's most innovative financial services groups. 0:00 — Stepping down as CEO to go all-in on AI 5:01 — The painful reality of integrating 1,400 brokers 15:54 — What AI agents actually are (and why they're not replacing brokers) 19:04 — Contract Analyser: 600 pages reviewed in under 2 minutes 28:24 — "If you're not using AI, you may not have a job in 5 years" 33:30 — The vision: Redefining how Australians buy property 44:10 — How to actually use AI in your workflow (practical tips) If you want to build a sustainable, profitable broking business and learn from the best in the industry, subscribe and never miss an episode. Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with David Hyman: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhyman/ | 48m 59s | ||||||
| 1/22/26 | ![]() How To Become a Top 1% Broker (Without Burning Out) | Aaron Christie David went from corporate banking at Commonwealth Bank to building one of Australia's top-performing mortgage brokerages in just 10 years. In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with his close friend and mentor to unpack the mindset shifts, team structures, and brutal truths that separate elite brokers from the rest. From leaving a stable corporate career with "no Plan B" to serving the top 1% of property investors, Aaron reveals why most brokers plateau, how he built a team that runs without him, and why the simple stuff done consistently beats technical expertise every time. If you're a mortgage broker, business owner, or anyone looking to level up your career while maintaining balance, this conversation delivers real talk on what it actually takes. 0:00 – Why Aaron left corporate banking with no Plan B 5:42 – The Mindset Shift that separates elite brokers from average 11:00 – Mentorship is broken: What real P2P learning looks like 17:49 – Niche Strategy: What he'd do differently starting today 23:56 – Social media built him a $Billions pipeline (how to replicate it) 39:33 – Team Structure Breakdown: From power broker to loan strategist 45:10 – Post-settlement retention: How they keep 95% of clients 58:04 – Abundance vs Scarcity: Why broker vs broker is killing the industry 1:05:07 – Vision boards, executive coaching & eliminating blind spots If you want to build a sustainable, profitable broking business and learn from the best in the industry, subscribe and never miss an episode. Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/propertyfinance/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmrstevens/ Connect with Aaron Christie David: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronchristiedavid/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aaronc_d/ | 1h 13m 10s | ||||||
| 1/16/26 | ![]() Build Your Brokerage on Autopilot (Without a Huge Team) | In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Christian Stevens sits down with Dana Blewitt, founder of The Lenders Club and one of Australia's top mortgage brokers specialising in SMSF lending. Dana discusses why women are entering broking but failing to stay beyond five years, why new brokers spread themselves too thin trying to do everything, and how mastering the basics in one niche creates more success than being a jack of all trades. She shares her advice on setting boundaries, building referral partnerships, and the crucial role of communication in managing high volumes, a practical blueprint for brokers at any stage. If you're looking to scale your brokerage, master a specialist lending niche, or learn how successful brokers balance business growth with family life, this conversation delivers actionable insights from someone who's built it from scratch. 0:00 – Introduction: Dana Blewitt, one of Australia's best brokers 2:00 – How Dana accidentally fell into SMSF lending 7:20 – 300-400 deals a year with a team of just 7 people 11:45 – Why women leave broking within 5 years (and what needs to change) 17:50 – "Master the basics" – the mistake new brokers keep making 22:10 – Biggest regret: Not hiring sooner and backing herself 25:55 – 2026 vision: Expanding digital ads, Europe trip, and moving house 38:30 – Why a supportive partner makes or breaks broker success If you want to build a sustainable, profitable broking business and learn from the best in the industry, subscribe and never miss an episode. Learn more about Flint: https://flintgroup.au/ Connect with Christian Stevens: LinkedIn: / propertyfinance Instagram: / cmrstevens Connect with Dana Blewitt: LinkedIn: / Dana Blewitt née FraserInstagram: / danaf1 | 41m 05s | ||||||
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