Saturday Morning: Behind Black Sheep

About this episode

William Ray and Susie Ferguson discuss the creation of the Black Sheep podcast and its focus on controversial figures in New Zealand history.

New Zealand's most awarded podcast is RNZ's own Black Sheep, and it's back with its 9th season. Hosted and produced by William Ray - he explores New Zealand history through the lens of real life, shady, controversial and sometimes downright villainous characters. Saturday Morning's own Susie Ferguson has even been typecast as a murderous Scottish villain in it. Susie and William discuss how the seasons come to be, and wonder why William is so obsessed with the sketchy side of life. Go to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details

People in this episode

Host: William Ray

Guest: Susie Ferguson

Topics covered

• New Zealand history
• controversial characters
• podcast production
• villainous figures
• obsession with shady life

Keywords

• Black Sheep
• New Zealand history
• podcast
• William Ray
• Susie Ferguson
• controversial characters
• villains
• 9th season

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: RNZ

Books & works: Black Sheep

Places: New Zealand

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