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The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 6 - Closing Arguments
Jun 25, 2026
48m 45s
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 5 - A Better Way
Jun 11, 2026
47m 07s
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 4 - Transmission (Im)possible
May 28, 2026
41m 36s
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 3 - Contamination Without Representation
May 14, 2026
38m 58s
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 2 - They Underestimated Us
Apr 30, 2026
40m 07s
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| 6/25/26 | ![]() The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 6 - Closing Arguments | This is it, the final episode! Danny gives us his closing arguments, reflecting on all he’s learned about the data center fight in communities across the United States. We listen in on Danny’s conversation with prolific author and tech critic Cory Doctorow about the centaur/reverse centaur theory of how we use technology and how technology uses us. And, we take another quick trip to some of the communities we’ve visited along the way: Data Center Alley in Northern Virginia, Davis, West Virginia, and Memphis, Tennessee, to get the latest on their fights. When it’s all said and done, the greatest lesson from the data center clashes may be in the value of agency, and that the way to protect communities from harmful data centers is to ensure that technology serves communities, not the other way around.In this episode, we hear from:Cory Doctorow: Science fiction author, activist and journalist whose recent books include “Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse And What To Do About It” and “The Reverse Centaur’s Guide To Life After AI.”Nikki Forrester: Helped launch Tucker United, now serves as the director of communications and spokesperson, lives in Tucker County, WV, and is a journalist. Elena Schlossenberg: Our local tour guide, and deeply involved in grassroots organizing in Prince William County and Loudoun County. She has a deep knowledge of land-use management and serves as the executive director of the Coalition to Protect Prince William County.Amber Sherman: Local policy organizer in Memphis.Delegate John McAuliff: Recently elected Delegate for Fauquier and Loudoun counties in Northern Virginia, flipping the seat by running largely on data center regulation. Samuel Black: Award-winning documentary filmmaker and journalist working with More Perfect Union. He covers tech, labor, energy, finance, housing, and U.S. politics. Resources:Corruption is Driving Up Your Electricity Bill Cory Doctorow’s blog, CraphoundSamuel Black’s More Perfect Union coverage from BoxtownLocal coverage from Tucker County about Fundamental Data’s visit, and how local leaders reactedThe latest updates from Prince William County about the Data Center Gateway caseA tool tracking every data center moratorium | 48m 45s | ||||||
| 6/11/26 | ![]() The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 5 - A Better Way✨ | data centerslocal communities+4 | Stacy MitchellChris Mitchell+1 | BYONCEInstitute for Local Self-Reliance+4 | — | data centerslocal control+4 | — | 47m 07s | |
| 5/28/26 | ![]() The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 4 - Transmission (Im)possible✨ | data centerselectric bills+3 | Kevin CaineJohn Farrell+3 | Institute for Local Self-RelianceInstitute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis+2 | Cleveland, Ohio | data centerselectric bills+5 | — | 41m 36s | |
| 5/14/26 | ![]() The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 3 - Contamination Without Representation✨ | environmental justicedata centers+3 | Dr. Sacoby WilsonAndrew Chow+2 | Institute for Local Self-Reliance | BoxtownMemphis+1 | data centersenvironmental racism+5 | — | 38m 58s | |
| 4/30/26 | ![]() The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 2 - They Underestimated Us✨ | data centerscommunity action+3 | Linda Bilsens BrolisNikki Forrester+1 | Tucker UnitedComposting for Community Initiative | Davis, West VirginiaWest Virginia | data centerair quality permit+3 | — | 40m 07s | |
| 4/30/26 | ![]() The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 1 - Planting a Flag✨ | data centerslocal communities+4 | Elena SchlossenbergGreg Pirio | Coalition to Protect Prince William CountyBig Tech | Loudoun County, VirginiaPrince William County+1 | data centersLoudoun County+5 | — | 40m 54s | |
| 4/16/26 | ![]() Introducing "The Data Centers Are Coming"✨ | data centerslocal communities+5 | — | Institute for Local Self-RelianceBig Tech+2 | — | data centersBig Tech+5 | — | 3m 00s | |
| 8/21/25 | ![]() Internet as a Human Right: Christopher Mitchell on Community Networks✨ | community broadbandtelecom monopolies+3 | Christopher Mitchell | Institute for Local Self-RelianceAT&T+1 | — | community networkstelecom+3 | — | 26m 16s | |
| 8/7/25 | ![]() Why Solving Waste Has To Be Local: Brenda Platt on Sustainability and Community✨ | sustainabilitycommunity control+4 | Brenda Platt | Institute for Local Self-Reliance | BIPOC neighborhoodhistorically black neighborhood+4 | sustainabilitycomposting+5 | — | 29m 54s | |
| 7/24/25 | ![]() Why Clean Energy Is Not Enough: John Farrell on Lessons from David Morris✨ | clean energycommunity control+4 | John Farrell | Institute for Local Self-RelianceThe Dawning of Solar Cells | — | clean energycommunity ownership+5 | — | 26m 37s | |
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| 7/15/25 | ![]() The Problems You Can Solve: Stacy Mitchell on David Morris’s Legacy✨ | legacymentorship+3 | Stacy Mitchell | Institute for Local Self-Reliance | — | David MorrisStacy Mitchell+5 | — | 26m 07s | |
| 7/3/25 | ![]() What Cities Can Do: Remembering David Morris | Here at the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, we recently received some shocking news as we learned of the sudden passing of our beloved co-founder, David Morris. A giant in the antimonopoly field, an innovative thinker ahead of his time, and a crucial mentor to so many of us here at ILSR, David will be missed. I imagine I wasn’t alone in diving into ILSR’s archives to understand and revisit David’s work and legacy in the wake of his death. Reading David’s work from the last 50 years reminded me just how much he deeply understood about building local power, often well before political discourse arrived at the same conclusions. That’s the inspiration for this week’s episode of Building Local Power. Today, we’re revisiting episode 22 of Building Local Power, a 2017 interview between David Morris and ILSR's Community Broadband Initiative director, Chris Mitchell. What struck me about this interview was how much of it could be said today and how much David anticipated our current moment. In the interview you’re about to hear, when asked about the source of local power, David explained that the communal nature of cities has had massive power since medieval times. In doing so, David lauds the value of so-called “Sanctuary Cities,” asserting that the term really means mutual protection against a faraway federal government that doesn’t necessarily act in the city’s interest. Such thoughts are almost painfully relevant in the wake of June 14th’s “No Kings” rallies, as those in power cynically exploit tensions about the alleged dangers of cities. There are those who say cities should not be sanctuaries. One of the many pieces of wisdom we have from David Morris’s long career runs counter to that: cities have dramatic potential for their residents to protect each other, and to act in each other’s best interest. That’s how local power is built. I hope you enjoy revisiting this 2017 interview as much as I did. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-what-cities-can-do | 33m 57s | ||||||
| 6/12/25 | ![]() Increasing Internet Access at the Speed of Trust: Sean Gonsalves on the Digital Equity Act | The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act represented one of the largest ever investments in broadband infrastructure. Many in the digital equity space believed the bill would go a long way to solve the digital divide. Provisions like the Digital Equity Act promised to be powerful tools in ensuring fast and reliable Internet access for all, regardless of money, race, and the rural/urban split. Groups ILSR's Community Broadband Networks team supports got to work applying for and receiving government funds to make major progress bringing equity to the digital space. Then, on a Thursday night in May 2025, President Trump announced on Truth Social that he was cancelling the Digital Equity Act, freezing or suspending all grants awarded for it. The President's decision will likely face legal challenges because the act and the money appropriated for it represent an action that Congress has already taken. Still, the law's cancellation will have wide-ranging and devastating consequences in the digital equity space. Efforts to close the digital divide for the eight populations served by the bill are now halted in their tracks, just as they were gathering speed. On this week's Building Local Power, we are joined by Sean Gonsalves, ILSR’s associate director for communications on the Community Broadband Team. Sean brings his years of experience and expertise to explain to us the consequences and impacts of the cancellation of the Digital Equity Act. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-increasing-internet-access-at-the-speed-of-trust | 26m 32s | ||||||
| 5/29/25 | ![]() The Human Side of Government Work: Paola Santana on Procurement | The United States government is one of the biggest purchasers in the world. Few people or entities spend more money on more goods and services. Add state and local governments to the mix, and you have a massive market with the potential for a lot of businesses to make a lot of money. The process of governments purchasing from businesses, called procurement, quietly hums with billions of dollars every single day. Yet those billions overwhelmingly end up in the pockets of huge corporations and monopolies instead of the local company in your town, which contributes to your local economy and builds local power for your community. This often happens even if that local company is perfectly poised to deliver the exact goods or services needed with top-of-the-line service, speed, and pricing. The game is just rigged. There are many reasons for this. There are also ways to fight it. Enter Paola Santana, whose company, Glass, is working to revolutionize the procurement process in favor of local businesses. Glass’s platform G-Commerce works in many ways to fill the gaps in the procurement process. G-Commerce aims to dismantle the barriers to entry facing small and local businesses. By certifying local businesses and giving them direct access to government purchasers, G-Commerce wants to level the playing field and make small government purchases more possible for local businesses. According to Paola Santana, this is a win-win: local businesses earn lucrative sales, and local governments get better service and even better prices. Paola Santana joins us today on Building Local Power to explain all this and why it’s so important. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-the-human-side-of-government-work | 22m 51s | ||||||
| 5/15/25 | ![]() The Champion of Local Champions: Recast City’s Ilana Preuss | One way to build local power is to catalyze change directly in your community. Another, equally important method is to catalyze the catalysts. To really make change and build sustainable local economies, we need not only entrepreneurs but also people connecting entrepreneurs to each other — someone to champion the local champions. There is solid proof that entrepreneurs fare better when connected to fellow entrepreneurs and mentors. That's where today's guest, Ilana Preuss, comes in. Ilana Preuss connects and supports entrepreneurs and local economies in many ways. Through her company, Recast City, LLC, Preuss advocates for local economic growth through what she calls small-scale manufacturing: nimble, ingenious, local creators who generate economic activity by making stuff and selling it in their communities. She also has worked hard to find solutions to the small business funding gap: BIPOC entrepreneurs, as well as women, have historically found it difficult to access traditional bank financing to start their businesses. How does this dynamic champion of champions do it? Have a listen to this inspiring episode of Building Local Power to find out. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-champion-of-local-champions | 23m 33s | ||||||
| 5/1/25 | ![]() The Diner Building Community In Times of Crisis: Ladybird’s Meg Heriford | Saturday, March 14, 2020, was even busier than the typical bustling Saturday at Ladybird Diner in Lawrence, Kansas. Bottles of handmade hand sanitizer were perched on each table. It was Pi Day, a special occasion for the homey diner famous for its pie. But Ladybird owner Meg Heriford was scared and unsure. The crowds were enough to convince her not to open the next day, instead opting to regroup in advance of the gathering COVID storm. Suddenly, she found herself with a kitchen full of food and nobody to serve it to. What happened next is a testament to the community-building power of independent businesses. We revisit Ladybird Diner's story not to tell a tale from the past, but to provide the prologue for the moment we find ourselves in today. Five years later, Meg is slinging pie amid new crises and political upheaval. But her commitment to her principles is unwavering: Treat her staff well, feed both the privileged and underprivileged of Lawrence, and build community through pie, coffee, and glittery vinyl booths. In an unforgettable Building Local Power episode that can only be described as inspiring, hear directly from Meg about how she stewards her diner through volatile times and why she calls that work noble. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-the-diner-building-community | 33m 20s | ||||||
| 4/17/25 | ![]() Where Things Are Happening: Ron Knox on the State(s) of Antitrust | Ron Knox was a successful reporter covering antitrust and antimonopoly issues until he couldn't take it any more. His growing passion for the fight against corporate power didn't match a reporter's need for neutrality and objectivity. Shedding the mantle of neutrality, Knox joined ILSR to fight for what he believed in: building local power and resisting corporate power. In the years since then, Knox has become a leading voice in the antimonopoly movement, creating resources about everything from Ticketmaster to Kroger to what states can do to fight corporate monopolies. In fact, that very idea is the center of this week's episode of Building Local Power. Knox has been a leader in ILSR's effort to provide resources and tools to help states fight monopolies, and he's here on the show to outline that work. Our galvanizing conversation also covers his antimonopoly history, his soon-to-be-released debut book, and his dreams for the future of the antimonopoly movement. If you're looking to be inspired by what's happening at the state level of the antimonopoly fight, as well as the people driving that movement, this episode is a must-listen. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-ron-knox-on-the-states-of-antitrust | 27m 46s | ||||||
| 4/3/25 | ![]() Civil Unrest, Group Chats, and Representation: Rachel Hernandez on Governing as a First-Gen Mayor | In late 2024, Rachel Hernandez ran a successful campaign to become mayor of Riverbank, California. A small town at the top of the state's central valley, Riverbank may not fit into what you imagine as California. There are no beaches or Hollywood signs here. The town follows the rhythm of the harvest with workers passing through following the crops. If Riverbank isn't your typical California town, Rachel Hernandez isn't your typical mayor. But she doesn't shy away from that fact. Hernandez has made her identity a central part of her governing and campaigning. She's young. She's Latina. She's the daughter of immigrants. She's a renter, not a homeowner. In this way, she represents exciting generational changes in who is claiming stewardship of American cities and towns. How does she do it? The answer is actually pretty simple: partnerships. This episode of Building Local Power features Rachel Hernandez sharing her insights on all that and more. Have a listen to what the future of local governance looks like. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-rachel-hernandez-on-governing-as-a-first-generation-mayor | 22m 36s | ||||||
| 3/20/25 | ![]() “A Little Odd, but A Little Amazing”: Adriana Valdez Young and the Secret Mall Apartment | In the early 2000s, a behemoth rose above Providence, Rhode Island. The massive Providence Place Mall was heralded as the solution to Providence's 1990s economic woes and cited as a catalyst for urban renewal. However, not all residents of Providence welcomed the mall. For one thing, the wave of corporate development inspired by the mall leveled working-class neighborhoods on Providence's West Side. These ethnically diverse neighborhoods were magnets for artists and other changemakers. In 2003, eight of those artists, including Adriana Valdez Young, undertook a project to reclaim some of what had been lost. The Secret Mall Apartment was their way to become developers in their own right. In the wake of corporate developers claiming every inch of available space, these artists found some space of their own to develop, hidden in plain sight within the mall. The project is the subject of the new documentary Secret Mall Apartment, and one of its stars joins us on this episode of Building Local Power. Our conversation with Adriana Valdez Young explains why the apartment was more than just a prank, how the mall forever altered Providence, and why inclusive design is essential for healthy urban development. Listen in, and never look at a mall the same way again. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-a-little-odd-but-a-little-amazing | 27m 15s | ||||||
| 3/6/25 | ![]() Taking a Risk for Rural Economic Growth with Dante Pittman | The third episode in the Building Local Power, The New Class series finds us talking to North Carolina State Rep Dante Pittman, recently elected to represent his hometown of Wilson, NC and the surrounding Wilson County. From municipal fiber broadband to monumental folk art, Wilson has never shied away from innovative ideas. Those ideas, and the dynamic leaders who embraced them, have led to a rare thing: a small city in the rural South that is showing promising growth. Rural America has lagged far behind big cities in economically recovering from the Coronavirus Pandemic, slowing growth across the region. In a lively conversation, Pittman shares the ways Wilson has found ways to buck that trend and attract new residents, support its businesses, and create robust communities. Further, Pittman shares his strategies for encouraging that growth from his new seat in the North Carolina Statehouse. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-taking-a-risk-for-rural-economic-growth | 23m 16s | ||||||
| 2/20/25 | ![]() From Neighborhood Streets to City Hall with Zac Blanchard | The second episode in the Building Local Power, The New Class series finds us talking to Baltimore City Councilman Zac Blanchard, who recently won a tight race to unseat his District 11's incumbent. Blanchard, a Marine vet and father of two young children, got his political start joining and eventually leading neighborhood associations. That experience, combined with his love for Baltimore, influenced his political philosophy and will guide him during his city council tenure. In this episode's wide-ranging conversation, Blanchard and host Danny Caine discuss Baltimore's challenges while also unpacking what makes Baltimore such a uniquely beautiful place. Blanchard shares his thoughts on the city's architecture and character and his journey to calling Baltimore home and eventually representing the key 11th District, which contains significant parts of Downtown and the iconic Inner Harbor. He also weighs in on the city's worst-in-the-nation heat island problem, driven by the presence of large trash incinerators within city limits. Other topics addressed include internet connectivity, highway removal, and the importance of bringing grocery stores to Baltimore's walkable neighborhoods. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-from-neighborhood-streets-to-city-hall | 28m 40s | ||||||
| 2/6/25 | ![]() Staying Local at the Statehouse with Tristan Rader | This episode is the first in our new season of Building Local Power, The New Class, where we are talking to interesting changemakers among the state and local politicians newly elected in November 2024. Our first guest is Tristan Rader, representing District 13 in Ohio's House of Representatives. District 13, which is host Danny Caine's district, covers the near-West Side of Cleveland as well as the inner-ring suburb of Lakewood. Rader's experiences range from working with the Cleveland Food Bank to Bernie Sanders' 2016 campaign to Lakewood City Council. On this episode, Rader weighs in on what makes Cleveland great and why organized labor is a vital part of that history. We also talk about local energy, taxation, and how exactly large corporations took such control of Ohio's economic policy. A through-line of the discussion is how Ohio's Republican supermajority shapes state politics and how Rader hopes to successfully fight for change in the district he represents. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-staying-local-at-the-statehouse | 23m 24s | ||||||
| 1/23/25 | ![]() How Structural Racism Fuels American Monopolies | The inspiration for this season of Building Local Power is ILSR's Power Play report, written by ILSR senior editor and researcher Susan Holmberg. Sue joins us today for a wide-ranging and candid conversation about the report and its main finding: that monopolies leverage systemic racism to build and retain their power. Our conversation ties together the previous conversations in our Power Play series, from organizing an Amazon warehouse to consumer redlining to the inequitable environmental harm of AI data centers. Sue discusses the monstrous costs of monopoly power to communities of color and the interconnected ways corporate power can ensnare these communities. But it's not all doom and gloom. Sue, like her report, has much to say about legislative and community fixes to the problem of monopoly power and structural racism. If you want to know not only how monopolies damage communities of color but also how to fix it, this conversation is a must-listen. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-structural-racism-fuels-american-monopolies | 27m 53s | ||||||
| 1/9/25 | ![]() “The Bad Target”: The Rise of Consumer Redlining | AI technology and large language models are growing in popularity. Also growing is the technology's detrimental effect on the environment. Each query into ChatGPT, to use one example, requires billions of calculations. Multiply that by millions of users, and suddenly, tech companies need to greatly expand their computing power in the form of new, energy-draining data centers. Each of those centers requires staggering amounts of fresh water to keep its servers cool. By some estimates, just 10 ChatGPT queries are equivalent to evaporating a 16oz bottle of water. For context, the popularity of these queries has resulted in one of the major technology companies now having the same annual water consumption as PepsiCo. Joining us on Building Local Power to discuss what this all means is UC Riverside professor Dr. Shaolei Ren. Continuing our series exploring how monopolies exploit structural racism to gain monopoly power, Ren not only outlines the environmental effects of AI but also explains how data center location decisions by Big Tech companies exacerbate environmental inequity. Almost all of the counties most affected by AI's climate harms are low-income communities and Black communities. What can policymakers and the public do? Ren has ideas for that, too, as he pushes for what he calls "health-informed computing." For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-environmental-inequity-of-ai | 20m 26s | ||||||
| 12/26/24 | ![]() A Rebalancing Act: How We Restore Local Power in 2025 | ILSR co-executive directors Stacy Mitchell and John Farrell join Reggie Rucker to discuss the year in ILSR and the issues we care about. What did the media get wrong about the economy in the lead-up to the election? How can voter frustration turn into positive political change? Will we ever move past "change elections?" Will the antitrust revival last through the next four years? How can states and cities fight corporate consolidation and monopoly power? What victories did the antitrust movement see in 2024, and how can we replicate that success in the future? And how can ILSR help? All of these questions and much, much more come up in this in-depth and far-reaching conversation between ILSR's fearless leaders. Building Local Power's special year-end 2024 recap episode charts how we got to this moment, and what the path ahead can look like. For the full transcript and related resources, visit the episode page: https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-a-rebalancing-act | 38m 30s | ||||||
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