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Care and the pluriverse - with Maggie FitzGerald
Jun 1, 2026
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Care ethics, education, and democracy - with Adriana Jesenková
May 4, 2026
1h 04m 56s
Fatherhood, faith, and phenomenology - with Zechariah Mickel
Apr 2, 2026
1h 10m 34s
Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou
Mar 2, 2026
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Dec 8, 2025
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| 6/1/26 |  Care and the pluriverse - with Maggie FitzGerald✨ | ethical decisionscare ethics+4 | Maggie FitzGerald | University of SaskatchewanBristol University Press+6 | — | care ethicspluriverse+6 | — | 50m 01s | |
| 5/4/26 |  Care ethics, education, and democracy - with Adriana Jesenková✨ | care ethicseducation+4 | Adriana Jesenková | Comenius UniversityPavol Jozef Šafárik University+3 | — | care ethicseducation system+4 | — | 1h 04m 56s | |
| 4/2/26 |  Fatherhood, faith, and phenomenology - with Zechariah Mickel✨ | fatherhoodphenomenology+4 | Zechariah Mickel | Global Center for Advanced StudiesWipf and Stock Publishers+4 | — | fatherhoodphenomenology+5 | — | 1h 10m 34s | |
| 3/2/26 |  Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou✨ | care ethicsend-of-life care+4 | Iris Parra Jounou | Autonomous University of BarcelonaCare Aesthetics and the Arts+1 | — | care ethicsend-of-life care+6 | — | 1h 05m 07s | |
| 12/8/25 |  A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi✨ | Catholic feminismgender and care+4 | Erika Bachiochi | Ethics and Public Policy CenterArizona State University+4 | MassachusettsCambridge | Catholic feminismcare+6 | — | 1h 10m 13s | |
| 11/9/25 |  Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar✨ | protest movementscare in political action+4 | Alisha Ibkar | Aligarh Muslim UniversityJawaharlal Nehru University+3 | KaliachakWest Bengal+3 | protestcare+6 | — | 1h 09m 30s | |
| 9/8/25 |  The ethics of dementia care - with Vince Mitchell✨ | ethics of dementia carepersonhood+4 | Vince Mitchell | The Open UniversityUniversity of York+1 | — | dementiaethics+4 | — | 1h 02m 27s | |
| 6/10/25 |  Communities of care - with Lorraine Krall McCrary✨ | disability rightspolitical theory+3 | Lorraine Krall McCrary | Wabash CollegeSt Edmund's College+4 | — | intellectual disabilitiespolitical participation+3 | — | 58m 20s | |
| 5/19/25 |  Revelations of divine care - with Melody Escobar✨ | maternal lovedisability+5 | Melody Escobar | Baylor UniversityBaylor Collaborative on Faith and Disability+2 | — | caredisabilities+6 | — | 52m 42s | |
| 4/2/25 |  Careful Thinking - Trailer✨ | careresearch+4 | — | Careful Thinking | — | careresearch+4 | — | 1m 19s | |
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| 4/1/25 |  Creating, knowing, and caring - with Merel Visse✨ | artcare+4 | Merel Visse | Caspersen School of Graduate StudiesDrew University+6 | — | artcare ethics+5 | — | 1h 02m 27s | |
| 3/3/25 |  Caring presence - with Andries Baart and Guus Timmerman✨ | caring presencecare ethics+3 | Andries BaartGuus Timmerman | North-West UniversityUniversity Medical Centre Utrecht+4 | — | presence theorycare practice+3 | — | 1h 15m 35s | |
| 2/4/25 |  A 'revolucionista' ethic of care - with Mia Sosa-Provencio | How has the legacy of conquest and colonisation shaped the educational experiences of students and teachers in New Mexico? What can educators do to enable students to bring their embodied knowledge and intergenerational wisdom into educational spaces? And in what ways are (Nuevo) Mexicana educators developing a 'revolucionista' ethic of care?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Mia Sosa-Provencio. Mia is an Associate Professor of Secondary Education in the Department of Teacher Education, Educational Leadership, and Policy, at the University of New Mexico. She taught Language Arts for seven years at Rio Grande High School in the South Valley of Albuquerque, before studying for a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction, with an emphasis on Critical Pedagogies, at New Mexico State University.Mia has published widely in the field of critical education studies, with a number of recent articles seeking to develop a Mexicana/Mestiza Critical Feminist Ethic of Care, drawing on her research, which uses Testimonio methodology, with educators living and working along the U.S.-Mexico border.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Mia's cultural roots and the social, political and historical context of New Mexico (02:32)Mia's personal experience of the US education system as a child (07:55)The impact of Mia's experience as a high school teacher in Albuquerque (13:05)Mia's current work preparing teachers to practice education as social justice (15:42)The ways in which care is excluded from educational spaces (19:48)Mia's ethnographic research with Mexicana/Mestiza educators using Testimonio methodology (20:55)Learning from Rosa's and Diana's narratives about ways of embodying a revolucionista ethic of care (26:15)Towards a critical feminist ethic of care (34:12)Developing an 'in the flesh' ethic of care: the importance of body and land (39:11)The role of humour and play in creating a social justice revolución (49:17)Mia's ongoing work and her hopes for its impact on policy and practice (01:01:04)A selection of Mia's publications'A Revolucionista Ethic of Care: Four Mexicana Educators' Subterraneous Social Justice Revolución of Fighting and Feeding''Seeking a Mexicana/Mestiza Critical Feminist Ethic of Care: Diana's Revolución of Body and Being''Seeking a Mexicana/Mestiza Ethic of Care: Rosa's Revolución of carrying alongside''Curriculum of the Mestiza/o Body: Living and Learning Through a Corporal Landscape of Resistance and (Re)generation''Tu eres mi otro yo/You Are My Other Me: An In-The-Flesh Ethic of Care Centering Body and Emotionality as Speaking Subjects Fostering Dignity, Interconnection, and Racialized Healing''Seeking a Culturally Relevant Ethic of Care for Mexican/Mexican American Youth: A Revolucionista Ethic of Care and its Wily, Tactical Mechanism of Humor' (forthcoming)Scholars, writers and activists mentioned in the episodeGloria AnzaldúaBeverly E CrossVanessa Siddle WalkerDolores Delgado BernalAida HurtadoChela SandovalLourdes Diaz SotoMaurice Hamington (see Episode 6)Nell NoddingsMaria LugonesCherríe MoragaSarah Munawar (see Episode 13)Other linksLatina Feminist GroupPensamiento Serpentino ('In Lak'ech' - poem)For a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 1/12/25 |  A care ethical perspective on surrogacy - with Priya Sharma | What has been the impact of recent attempts to regulate surrogacy in India? How do surrogate mothers view their participation in the process? Can feminist care ethics, and specifically an understanding of care as labour, contribute to a better understanding of surrogacy? And what are the strengths and weaknesses of the radical feminist case against surrogacy?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with Priya Sharma. Priya recently took up a position as an Assistant Professor in the Humanities and Social Science at T A Pai Management Institute, on the Bengalaru Campus of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, in India. She has an academic background in anthropology, sociology and philosophy, and practical experience of working with a variety of social justice movements. Priya’s doctoral research at the Indian Institute of Technology in Mumbai, where she was until recently a postdoctoral fellow, developed a care ethical perspective on surrogacy regulation in India. Building on her doctoral work, Priya has published an article, with her supervisor Amrita Banerjee, on ‘Animating the Affect–Care–Labor Link in the Wake of “The Surrogacy (Regulation) Bill”: Care Ethics and Policymaking on Indian Surrogacy’ in the journal Hypatia, and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘Whose Ethos?: A Case of Indian Surrogacy law and its Moral Bedrock’ to the forthcoming Routledge Companion to Gender and Reproduction. Priya is also currently co-editing a volume on Technology, Mothering, and Care Ethics in the Peeters Ethics of Care series, and is a guest editor for a journal special issue on Critical Midwifery Studies.Please note that the sound quality of this episode is less than ideal in places, due to a poor internet connection, so listeners may wish to refer to the transcript (link below) to aid understanding.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Priya's academic background and the origins of her interest in reproductive care (02:54)Understanding surrogacy in the Indian context (09:50)The regulation of surrogacy in India (17:16)Priya's ethnographic research with surrogate women (22:32)The influence of feminist care ethics on Priya's work on reproductive care (33:29)The radical feminist critique of surrogacy and Priya's response (46:00)Priya's work with Birth Futures and the Critical Midwifery Studies Collective (56:20)Priya's plans for further research on surrogacy and reproductive care (01:05:09)Some of the writers, researchers, professionals and activists mentioned in the episode:Amrita BanerjeeKushal DebIra Chadha-Sridhar (see Episode 15)Maitrayee ChaudhuriMaurice Hamington (see Episode 6)Nayana PatelKanchana MahadevanJoan TrontoSarah RuddickNell NoddingsEva KittayAmrita PandeSharmila RudrappaJennifer ParksSophie LewisInge van Nistelrooij (see Episode 17)Rodante van der WaalAsha AchuthanSusana Ku CarbonellRomina GallardoMarjolein PijnappelsAmritha WarrierPublications mentioned in the episodeJoan Tronto, Moral Boundaries and Caring DemocracySarah Ruddick, Maternal ThinkingRodante van der Waal, Birth Justice: From Obstetric Violence to Abolitionist CareLinksSama - Resource Group for Women and HealthStop Surrogacy NowDalit feminismBirth FuturesCritical Midwifery Studies CollectiveFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 12/2/24 |  Care, sacrifice, and reproductive justice - with Inge van Nistelrooij | Is self-sacrifice a vital component of care for others, or does a feminist ethic of care make it problematic? Is caring something that we choose to do, or a responsibility that is given to us? And how can care ethics provide a framework for promoting reproductive justice?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Inge van Nistelrooij. Inge is a care ethicist, based in the Netherlands. She currently works as a self-employed ethicist with care organisations, as a consultant for professional care practices, as an ethics educator for professional teams, and as a facilitator of ethical reflection and ethical case deliberation. She is also a part-time Associate Professor of Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht. Inge studied for a doctorate in Theology at the University of Tilburg with Annelies von Heijst, and her prize-winning thesis was published in book form in 1996 as Martha and Mary Revisited: Care as Ethical Perspective. Inge then spent a number of years working for religious organisations and as an ethics trainer, and also as an ethics policy advisor in care organisations, publishing in 2008 The Basic Book of Care Ethics, a book for care workers in nursing, social work, spiritual care and medical professions, a revised version of which came out in 2022. Inge went on to study for a PhD at the University of Humanistic Studies, with Frans Vosman, and her thesis was published in book form in 2014 as Sacrifice: A Care Ethical Reappraisal of Sacrifice and Self-Sacrifice. Since then, Inge has published widely in the field of care ethics, on subjects such as empathy and relationality, with a recent focus on pregnancy and childbirth. She was one of the co-editors of the 2022 collection Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions, and she is co editor of the book Recommitting to Reproduction: Shifting Care Ethics Towards Reproductive Justice, which will be published next year. Inge's Dutch-language monograph Baarzaam: Basisboek Zorgethiek voor zwangerschap, geboortezorg en ouderschap (‘Basic book - Care ethics for pregnancy, maternity care and parenthood’) is also planned for 2025.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Inge's journey from theology to care ethics (03:16)The influence of Annelies van Heijst (07:33)Inge's work with care organisations (12:07)Inge's doctoral research on sacrifice and self-sacrifice in care (16:18)Literary representations of self-sacrifice (21:20)The influence of feminist theology on Inge's thinking (29:00)Jean-Luc Marion on givenness and responsibility (34:05)Paul Ricoeur on identity as narrative (40:10)Obstetric violence and reproductive care (42:17)Maternity and feminist care ethics (48:17)Inge's forthcoming publications on care ethics and reproductive justice (52:20)A selection of Inge's recent publications'Reimagining relationality for reproductive care: understanding obstetric violence as "separation"''The Undercommons of Childbirth and Their Abolitionist Ethic of Care. A Study into Obstetric Violence Among Mothers, Midwives (in Training), and Doulas''Shroud Waving Self Determination, A Qualitative Analysis of the Moral and Epistemic Dimensions of Obstetric Violence in the Netherlands'Other publications discussed in the episodeLeo Tolstoy, The Death of Ivan IlyichCharlotte Brontë, Jane EyreJ.M. Coetzee, DisgraceSome of the thinkers, writers and researchers mentioned in the episodeAnnelies van HeijstFrans VosmanEmmanuel LevinasCatharina HalkesJean-Luc MarionEmmanuel HoussetAxel HonnethPaul RicoeurMerel VisseSophie BourgaultBarbara DudenAndrea O'ReillyRodante van der WaalMarit van der PijlFemmianne BredewoldLinksCare Ethics Research ConsortiumFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 11/1/24 |  The transformative power of care - with Elissa Strauss | What are the physical, psychological and spiritual benefits of caring for others? How does caregiving benefit society, and what could society do to value care more? In what ways does care change men, and how can we encourage men to participate more in caregiving? And how are care and spirituality connected?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Elissa Strauss. Elissa is a journalist, essayist, and opinion writer, based in Oakland, California, who has been writing about the culture and politics of care for fifteen years. Her work has appeared in publications such as The New York Times and The Atlantic, and she has been a contributing writer for CNN and Slate, where her articles have focussed on feminism and motherhood. In addition to her work as a writer, Elissa is also an artistic director of LABA: A Laboratory for Jewish Culture.Elissa's book, When You Care: The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others, was published earlier this year to widespread acclaim. Reviewers have described the book as 'brilliantly argued and timely', 'urgent and necessary', and 'destined to be a modern classic'. We discuss the following topics in this episode:How Elissa got started as a writer (02:10)Why Elissa wrote When You Care (03:18)The main message of the book (07:50)Discovering meaning and purpose through caregiving (09:38)The social, political and economic value of care (13:48)The ambivalent image of motherhood and caregiving in feminist literature (20:55)Breaking down the 'glass doors' : building a feminism of care (25:58)The forgotten history of care feminism and its lessons for today(29:20)Men and care (33:36)The physical and psychological benefits of caregiving (40:43)Elissa's discovery of feminist care ethics (46:14)Care and spirituality (50:55)The need for political and cultural change to support caregiving (58:00)Elissa's plans for future research and writing (01:01:30)Elissa's recent articles'I hated the story of Abraham and Isaac - until I became a mother', Kveller'The branch of philosophy all parents should know', The AtlanticOther publications discussed in the episodeRachel Cusk, A Life's WorkNell Noddings, CaringSome of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episodeEva Feder KittayCarol GilliganSheryl SandbergJohnnie TillmonJohn RawlsPhyllis DeaneOther links'Made with Care' (Elissa's Substack newsletter)'Young men, masculinity and wellbeing' (Martin's research with Promundo)Equimundo: Center for Masculinities and Social Jusitice (formerly Promundo)Eshet Chayil (traditional Jewish poem/song)For a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack | — | ||||||
| 10/15/24 |  Care ethics, philosophy, and the law - with Ira Chadha-Sridhar | How are our duties to care, and to obey the law, connected? What can care ethics contribute to an understanding of important questions in medical and family law? What does it mean to describe care as a 'thick ethical concept'? And what are the factors that make caring actions 'good'?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Ira Chadha-Sridhar. Ira is the Hatton-WYNG Junior Research Fellow in Law, Medicine and Life Sciences at Hughes Hall in the University of Cambridge. She has a BA.LLB (Honours) from the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences in Kolkata, and an LLM from Cambridge University, where she was recently awarded a PhD for her thesis entitled ‘A Care Ethical Theory of Political Obligation'.Ira’s research interests lie at the intersections of law and philosophy. She’s particularly interested in the ethics of care and its relationship with questions about the law: both within jurisprudence, and within areas of legal doctrine, such as medical law and family law. Ira’s current research project focusses on care ethics and its intersection with doctrinal questions in medical law. Ira’s publications include a number of articles written while she was still a student in India, for example on the ethics of care in maternity laws, and critical feminist reflections on the laws around shared parenting. In 2021 she published an article on ‘The Value of Vagueness: A Feminist Analysis’ in The Canadian Journal of Law and Jurisprudence, while 2023 saw the publication of her article on ‘Care as a Thick Ethical Concept’ in Res Publica. Ira is currently working on a monograph, in which she plans to develop a conceptual account of care, encompassing a descriptive theory of caring actions and a care-evaluation framework. This framework aims to make substantial contributions to ongoing discussions in doctrinal medical law and public health policy.We explore the following topics in this episode:The origins of Ira's interest in the law (02:58)Feminism as an early influence on Ira's thinking (04:54)Ira's introduction to care ethics (06:08)An overview of Ira's doctoral research (08:40)Care ethics and political obligation (10:45)Is care ethics a feminist ethic? (12:52)The contribution of a new generation of thinkers to care ethics (15:25)The relationship between care ethics and legal and political philosophy (17:23)Care ethics, particularism and moral principles (19:25)Care as a thick ethical concept (23:40)Care ethics and analytic philosophy (27:33)Care and 'good' care (30:46)Positive, negative and neutral caring actions (32:57)The factors that make caring actions 'good' (36:43)Ira's current research on medical law and care ethics (39:26)Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episodeAmrita BanerjeeVirginia HeldJoan TrontoDaniel EngsterSteven Steyl (see Episode 10)Stephanie CollinsBernard WilliamsPhilippa FootIris MurdochJonathan HerringSome of the publications discussed in the episodeCarol Gilligan, In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's DevelopmentCynthia A. Stark, 'Abstraction and Justification in Moral Theory'Steven Steyl, 'A Care Ethical Theory of Right Action'Stephanie Collins, The Core of Care EthicsFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack | — | ||||||
| 9/17/24 |  Empathy, emotions and the ethics of love - with Susi Ferrarello | What role do emotions play in individual and societal wellbeing? How can we ensure that we are emotionally present in caregiving and in our professional lives? What is the difference between true and 'empty' empathy? And what can phenomenology, and philosophical ideas generally, contribute to the development of an ethic of love, or an ethic of care?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Susi Ferrarello. Susi is an associate professor at California State University, East Bay. She has a Bachelor’s degree in Philosophy from La Sapienza University in Rome, an MA in Human Rights and Political Science from the University of Bologna, and a PhD in Philosophy from the Sorbonne in Paris. Susi has held professorships at La Sapienza, the Florence University of the Arts, Lucerne University, and Loyola University in Chicago, and she has lectured widely in Europe and the United States.Susi’s areas of interest include phenomenology, moral psychology, practical ethics, the philosophical foundations of psychological praxis, and ancient philosophy. Susi is also a philosophical counsellor, with more than ten years’ experience of consulting in Italy, Switzerland and the United States.Susi's many books include The Phenomenology of Sex, Love and Intimacy, published in 2019; Human Emotions and the Origins of Bioethics and The Role of Bioethics in Emotional Problems, both from 2021; and The Ethics of Love: Emotional Dilemmas for a Relational Life, which came out in 2023. She has also edited or co-edited a number of books, including Empathy and Ethics in 2022, and The Routledge Handbook of Phenomenology of Mindfulness in 2023. The Phenomenology of Pregnancy and Early Motherhood: Ethical, Social, and Psychological Perspectives will be published in December 2024. Susi writes a regular blog, ‘Lying On The Philosopher’s Couch’, in Psychology Today magazine, and she is the host of the ‘Philosophy Gets Personal’ podcast. She recently launched No Bump, No Care?, an online pregnancy and motherhood support project.We explore the following topics in this episode:Susi's academic journey and formation (03:09)Susi's work as a philosophical counsellor (07:40)Emotions and bioethics (11:12)Emotions in professional life (17:58)Encouraging empathy in caregiving: the example of care for women who have experienced miscarriage (24:04)The gender bias in pain management (31:44)Intercorporeality and interaffectivity (36:10)Bioethics and everyday emotional problems (42:66)Ancient myths as resources for understanding contemporary relational dilemmas (46:40)Susi's reflections on personal emotional experience in her writing (50:50)Love, care and self-care (52:50)A phenomenological ethic of love (56:22)From kindness to tenderness (01:01:03)Susi's current work on pregnancy and perinatal loss (01:05:17)LinksSusi's Youtube channelSusi's counselling practiceSome of the thinkers and writers mentioned in the episodeAristotleEdmund HusserlMartin HeideggerVan Rensselaer PotterLou MarinoffTomie HahnNicole MiglioFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 8/20/24 |  A Muslim feminist ethic of care - with Sarah Munawar | In what ways do medical racism and ableism shape Muslim families' experiences of healthcare services? How can Islamic spirituality and Qur'anic stories provide resources to support caregivers and receivers of care? Does care ethics need to be decolonised? And what are the implications of a Muslim feminist ethic of care for thinking about illness, disability and reproductive care?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Sarah Munawar. Sarah is a political science instructor at Columbia College in Vancouver, Canada, and she was recently a visiting professor at the Elizabeth Rockwell Center on Ethics and Leadership at the Hobby School of Public Affairs at the University of Houston. Sarah earned her PhD in political science at the University of British Columbia in 2019 with a thesis entitled, ‘In Hajar’s footsteps: a de-colonial and Islamic theory of care’, which will also form the basis of a forthcoming book.Sarah describes herself as a neurodiverse Muslim, mother, and political theorist, her research articulating a vision of health equity, disability justice and care ethics that is intersectional, Islamic and de-colonial, while also centring the epistemic authority of disabled Muslims as knowers of Islam, Muslim practices of care, and care-based modes of knowing Islam. Sarah’s publications include the book chapter ‘In the Belly of the Whale: Theorizing Disability through a De-Colonial and Islamic Ethic of Care’, which was published in 2022, in the collection Care Ethics, Religion, and Spiritual Traditions; the journal article ‘The Breathwork of Ar-Rahman: An Islamic Ethic of Reproductive Care’, also from 2022; and the book chapter ‘”Be and it is!”: Muslim Cosmologies of Care, Desire, and the Reproduction of Life’, which will appear later this year.We explore the following topics in this episode:Sarah's family's experience of caring and advocating for her father during his illness (02:50)Experiencing medical ableism and racism (08:37)Critiquing some religious responses to illness and disability (13:58)Qur'anic stories providing a moral vocabulary for care (19:04)Muslim and critical disability approaches to assisted dying (23:45)Ableist and racist constructions of caregivers (26:52)The influence of Eva Kittay on Sarah's thinking and the need to decolonise care ethics (30:22)The concept of relational selfhood in Muslim, feminist and indigenous thinking (33:40)'The breathwork of Ar-Rahman' as a source of mercy and care (37:39)Sarah's development of an Islamic, intersectional ethic of reproductive care, and its roots in her experience of giving birth during the Covid-19 pandemic (39:35)The stories of Hajar and Maryam as resources for understanding Muslim mothers' experiences (44:44)Towards a political and ecological Islamic ethic of care and the importance of place in thinking about care (46:55)Future directions for Sarah's research and writing (51:30)Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episodeGeorg HegelFriedrich NietzscheHannah ArendtJohn RawlsEva KittayJoan TrontoFor a transcript of the episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 7/22/24 |  Fatherhood, care and disability - with Aaron Jackson | How do parents of children with disabilities create meaningful lives? In what ways do past experiences shape fathers' caregiving in the present? And how is men's care for their disabled children influenced by social norms of masculinity?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Aaron Jackson. Aaron is an anthropologist whose research focuses primarily on best practices for supporting people with intellectual disabilities, with an emphasis on active support and supported decision-making. He was recently appointed as Course Coordinator and Head Lecturer of the Masters in Disability Practice at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia. Aaron’s academic interests include social worlds of disability and disability care, world-building, identity and memory, gender and masculinities, philosophy of self and other, disability politics of inclusion, emotional experience, and the phenomenology of bereavement. Aaron’s doctoral research, which explored the practical and emotional realities of intensive caregiving for fathers of children with profound physical and intellectual disabilities, formed the basis of his book Worlds of Care: The Emotional Lives of Fathers Caring for Children with Disabilities, which was published in 2021.We explore the following topics in this episode:Aaron's personal and academic journey to researching fatherhood, care and disability (02:34)Aaron's ethnographic research with fathers of children with disabilities in the United States (06:52)The combination of narrative, creative and academic styles of writing in 'Worlds of Care' (09:55)Aaron's inclusion of his personal experience of caregiving in his research and writing (13:26)The influence of key theorists on Aaron's thinking (18:04)How parenting a child with a disability disrupts personal life narratives (20:55)The focus on emotions in Aaron's research (24:25)The role of memory and past experiences on caregiving in the present (28:33)Fathers reframing their identities as a result of parenting a child with a disability (32:10)Men, masculinities and care (35:33) The influences on men's caregiving (38:15)Embodied caregiving as a form of moral education (41:46)Parents' mutual support as 'moral cosmopolitan communities' (44:20)Aaron's experience of serious illness and becoming a receiver of care (47:53)Paternalistic relationships in medical practice (50:10)Improving care for people with disabilities and support for their families (53:19)Aaron's plans for future research (56:45)Some of Aaron's other publications'The social framing of diagnoses and empathetic listening''When Doctors Don't Listen''Embodied Spaces, Cosmopolitanism and Corporeal Diversity''Attuned Fathering and the Moral Dimensions of Caregiving''Between us: Facilitated decision-making in the relational experience of profound intellectual disability''Building Strong Foundations: Listening to and Learning from People with Intellectual Disabilities and Their Families'Other publications mentioned in the episodeMaurice Hamington, Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist EthicsOliver Sacks, AwakeningsAlison Davies, 'Its a problem with the brain': A discursive analysis of parents' constructions of ADHDAlison Davies, Jonathan Rix and Martin Robb ‘Fathers’ relationships with their disabled children: a literature review’Martin Robb, Men, Masculinities and the Care of Children: Images, Ideas and IdentitiesSome of the thinkers and writers discussed in the episodePierre BourdieuMaurice Merleau-PontyMartin HeideggerEva KittaySara AhmedFor a transcript of the episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 7/2/24 |  Care aesthetics - with James Thompson | What does it mean to describe care as 'beautiful'? Is caring an art, and if so, what would 'artful' care (and careful art) look like? And how might an aesthetics of care transform how we think, not only about interpersonal care, but also about broader social relationships?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode of the podcast, with James Thompson. James is a theatre practitioner, academic and researcher, and is currently Professor of Applied and Social Theatre at the University of Manchester. James’ professional practice has included ten years developing arts programmes in prisons and over fifteen years documenting and supporting arts projects in sites of armed conflict and humanitarian disaster. He helped to set up the TiPP Centre, which develops participatory arts projects in prison contexts, and also In Place of War, a global organisation that uses artistic creativity in places impacted by conflict. James’ books include Performance Affects: Applied Theatre and the End of Effect and Performance in Place of War, both published in 2009, and Humanitarian Performance: from Disaster Tragedies to Spectacles of War, from 2014. He also co-edited the collection Performing Care: New Perspectives on Socially Engaged Performance, which was published in 2020. James’ most recent book is Care Aesthetics: For Artful Care and Careful Art, which came out in 2023. He currently leads a cross-disciplinary team of theatre and nursing academics and practitioners working on the Care Aesthetics Research Exploration project, funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council, which explores what happens when we consider care a craft of artful practice.We explore the following topics in this episode:James' work in prisons and the activities of the TiPP Centre (03:00)James' experience in conflict zones and the work of 'In Place of War' (05:38)The personal roots of James' interest in care aesthetics (08: 04)The genesis of 'Care Aesthetics' during the COVID-19 pandemic (11:00)'Clapping for carers' as an aesthetic experience (12:33)Towards an alternative aesthetics (14:38)Relational aesthetics (18:23)'In between' aesthetics (21:00)Self care and care for the other (22:52)The influence of feminist care ethics (25:00)Connecting intimate care with care for the wider community (27:52)Care as performance (31:14)Art, play and care (34:43)An aesthetic critique of care (37:13)Towards a dramaturgy of care (40:42)Everyday care aesthetics (43:51)Slow art and slow care (45:50)A care aesthetics manifesto (47:30)The Care Aesthetics Research Exploration Project (49:35)The Care Lab and the future of care aesthetics (52:47)Some of the writers, thinkers, researchers and practitioners mentioned in the episodeWilliam MorrisJohn RuskinMartin BuberEmmanuel LevinasLuce IrigarayJoan TrontoNell NoddingsEva KittayMaurice Hamington (see Episode 6)Christine Leroy (see Episode 7)Petr Urban (see Episode 4)Marian BarnesHilary MossClaire CunninghamNicola HattonJohn KeadyJackie KindellKerry HarmanJenny HarrisKate Maguire-RosierReka PolonyiOther linksThe TiPP CentreIn Place of WarThe Care LabClap for Our CarersFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack | — | ||||||
| 6/17/24 |  The virtue of care - with Steven Steyl | Is care a virtue? And what is the relationship between care ethics and virtue ethics? Is there a need to 'queer' care ethics? And what does an ethic of care have to say about the needs of marginalised groups like migrants and those with invisible disabilities?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Steven Steyl. Steven studied law, philosophy and politics at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, where he also completed an M.A. in politics and international relations. He then studied for a PhD, at the University of Notre Dame Australia, where his thesis was entitled ‘Towards an Aristotelian Theory of Care: A Comparison of Neo-Aristotelian Virtue Ethics with Feminist Ethics of Care, and the Fundaments of a Virtue Ethical Theory of Care.’ Steven has been a visiting researcher at Oxford, at the University of Minnesota and at Arizona State University, and he currently teaches at UNDA’s Sydney campus where he will shortly be taking up a new post coordinating the national bioethics curriculum. Steven is also in the process of completing postgraduate legal training with the New Zealand Law Society and from July he'll have a licence to practice law. He has published a number of journal articles in the field of care ethics, exploring the nature of caring actions, the relationship between care ethics and virtue ethics, and queer care ethics. With Daniel Engster, Steven is co-editing a forthcoming collection on care and moral theory.We discuss the following topics in this episode:The origins of Steven's interest in care theory (02:55)Care and the virtues (05:43)Care ethics and analytic philosophy (19:46) Caring actions (23:14)Queering care ethics (30:18)Conversion therapy and the ethics of care (37:42)Care theory and invisible disabilities (41:27)Care ethics and migration (45:57)Steven's plans for the future - philosophy or the law? (48:17)Links to some of Steven's publications'The Virtue of Care' (2019)'Caring Actions' (2019)'A Care Ethical Theory of Right Action' (2020)'Theologically Motivated Conversion Therapy and Care Epistemology' in Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual TraditionsOther publications discussed in the episodeClare Mac Cumhaill and Rachael Wiseman, Metaphysical Animals: How Four Women Brought Philosophy Back to LifeCarol Gilligan, In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's DevelopmentLynne Huffer, Are the Lips a Grave? A Queer Feminist on the Ethics of SexSome of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episodeAristotleRosalind HursthouseMichael SloteVirginia HeldEva KittayNell NoddingsJoan TrontoHoward CurzerPhilippa FootAlasdair McIntyreElizabeth AnscombeLudwig WittgensteinMaurice HamingtonHil MalatinoFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 5/21/24 |  Care at the end of life - with Erica Borgstrom | In what sense are death and dying relational experiences? Why is 'choice' a problematic concept in end of life care? And when might a decision not to intervene be viewed as a form of care? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Erica Borgstrom. Erica is a Professor of Medical Anthropology at The Open University, where she leads Open Thanatology, the university’s interdisciplinary research group for the study of death, dying, loss and grief across the life course. Erica is editor of the international, interdisciplinary journal Mortality and one of the editors overseeing the book series Death and Culture for Bristol University Press. Her doctoral research at the University of Cambridge ethnographically examined English end-of-life care - from policy, to practice, to everyday experiences, focusing on choice and advance care planning. With Simon Cohn and Annelieke Driessen, Erica worked on the Forms of Care project, which critically examined non-intervention in end of life care. With a range of collaborators across projects, Erica has also explored how palliative and end of life care are provided in various contexts, including in acute hospital settings, hospices, and through doula provision. Recently, one of Erica’s main research projects has been focused on understanding how people interpret and use the Ambitions Framework for Palliative and End of Life Care, a project funded by NHS England and Marie Curie. Erica is the author or co-author of many articles and book chapters. She has co-edited two collections on research methodology, Researching Death, Dying and Bereavement and Unpacking Sensitive Research: Epistemological and Methodological Implications. With Sharon Mallon, she co-edited the collection Narratives of COVID: Loss, Dying, Death and Grief during COVID-19.We discuss the following topics in this episode:The origins of Erica's academic interest in end of life care (03:02)Erica's international background and its influence on her thinking about palliative care (04:35)Erica's doctoral research on choice in end of life care (08:38)Family practices and relationships at the end of life (13:25)Critiquing the 'compassionate care' discourse (16:55)Ethnographically analysing the Liverpool Care Pathway (20:46)'Non-intervention' as a form of care (27:15)The patient as human versus the patient as person (29:33)Intimacy and proximity in the context of a global pandemic (34:03)Loss, dying, death and grief during COVID-19 (37:15)Research and education on death and dying at The Open University (42:12)Erica's plans for future research (46:11)Links to some of Erica's publications'Planning for death? An ethnographic study of choice and English end-of-life care' (PhD thesis)'"We don't want to go and be idle ducks": family practices at the end of life''Choice and compassion at the end of life: A critical analysis of recent English policy discourse''Standardising care of the dying: An ethnographic analysis of the Liverpool Care Pathway in England and the Netherlands''Human and person when life is fragile: new relationships and inherent ambivalences in the care of dying patients''Ways of "being with": Caring for dying patients at the height of the Covid-19 pandemic' Open University linksOpen Thanatology Hub at OpenLearnK220 Death, Dying and BereavementSome of the researchers and writers mentioned in the episode:Julie EllisKate WoodthorpeTony WalterNatashe Lemos DekkerSimon CohnAnnelieke DriessenSharon MallonFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack | — | ||||||
| 5/7/24 |  Spiritual care - with Carlo Leget | How can religious traditions regarding death and dying be adapted for a modern secular culture? What can the concept of 'inner space' contribute to understanding and improving care for the dying and support for the bereaved? And what role do moments of wonder play in the practice of care?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Carlo Leget. Carlo is Professor of Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht in the Netherlands and the co-founder, with Mai-Britt Guldin, of the Center for Grief and Existential Values, which is based in Aarhus, Denmark. Originally trained as a theologian, Carlo has worked in the fields of moral theology, medical ethics, care ethics and spirituality. His publications in English include Living with God: Thomas Aquinas on the Relation between Life on Earth and ‘Life' after Death, published in 1997, the influential book Art of Living, Art of Dying: Spiritual Care for a Good Death, from 2017, and, with Finn Thorbjørn Hansen and Solveig Botnen Eide, the edited collection Wonder, Silence, and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare, which was published in 2023. Grief and Existential Awareness: an Integrative Approach, co-written with Mai-Britt Guldin, will be published later this year.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Carlo's journey from theology to care ethics (02:45)The philosophers and writers who have influenced Carlo's thinking (06:58)The Masters programme in Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht (08:15)'Art of Living, Art of Dying' (13:23)The concept of 'inner space' (17:02)The art of dying model in practice (22:24)The relevance of the model in a secular and multicultural society (26:19)A care-ethical approach to euthanasia and assisted dying (30:15)The Center for Grief and Existential Values (36:32)An integrative process model of grief and loss (41:57)'Wonder, Silence and Human Flourishing' (46:49)The concept of resonance (49:38)'Wonder Labs' and their relevance for care practice (54:42)Carlo's plans for future research and writing (57:04)Links to some of Carlo's publications'Living with God: Thomas Aquinas on the Relation between Life on Earth and "Life" after Death''Art of Living, Art of Dying: Spiritual Care for a Good Death''Wonder, Silence, and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare''The integrated process model of loss and grief – an interprofessional understanding’Other publications mentioned in the episodeHans-Georg Gadamer, 'Truth and Method'Joan Tronto, 'Moral Boundaries'Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episodeThomas AquinasAugustine of HippoSøren KierkegaardJohann Wolfgang von GoetheMargaret Urban WalkerPaul RicoeurAnnelies van HeijstFrans VosmanFinn Thorbjørn HansenHartmut RosaMary-Frances O'ConnorIrvin YalomFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
| 4/23/24 |  Dance, empathy and care - with Christine Leroy | What is the connection between dance and care, and in what sense can dance be described as an ethical activity? What does it mean to say that empathy is anchored in the body? And what are the implications for the practice of care and for care ethics?These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with Christine Leroy. Christine is a researcher at the University of Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne, working at the intersection of philosophy, dance, and care ethics. She also directs a dance theatre company and leads contact dance improvisation workshops in clinical settings. Christine is the author of Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique, published in 2021, which develops original and intriguing connections between the experience of dance and the practice of care. She is also the author of La phénoménologie, published in 2018, a useful introduction to some key phenomenological thinkers, and of Le corps, from 2022. With Chiara Palermo, Christine edited the collection Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité, also published in 2022. Although most of Christine’s writings have yet to be translated from French, she is the author of a forthcoming article in English, ‘Performance and bodily anchoring of care: dance’s power to care’, which will be published later this year.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Christine's training in dance and philosophy (03:03)The influence of Maurice Merleau-Ponty and other phenomenological thinkers on Christine's work (05:40)Phénoménologie de la danse (09:10)Dance as an ethical activity and the bodily anchoring of care (11:26)'Kinaesthetic empathy' (15:15)Kinaesthetic empathy in the dance works of Angelin Preljocaj (21:40)The influence of Donald Winnicott on Christine's thinking (24:01)Dance, care and self-care (27:18)Dance, empathy and disability (28:27)The concept of portance (33:50)Translating 'care' (37:25)Christine's work with 'Clown Up' (41:05)Working with dance in clinical settings (46:05)Plans for future research (48:45)Links to a selection of Christine's publicationsPhénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthiqueLa phénoménologieLe corpsPesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravitéOther publications, artworks and organisations mentioned in the episodeMaurice Merleau-Ponty, 'Eye and Mind'Susan Lanzoni, Empathy: A HistoryJean-Jacques Rousseau, Émile, ou De l’éducationWim Vandekeybus, BlushAngelin Preljocaj, Le Parc Angelin Preljocaj, GravityLloyd Newson/DV8, The Cost of Living'Clown Up'Some of the writers, thinkers and artists discussed in the episodeMaurice Merleau-PontyRenaud BarbarasJan Patočka Emmanuel de Saint AubertAloys FischerTheodor LippsEdward B. TitchenerEdith SteinMaurice HamingtonWim VanderkeybusVittorio GalleseDonald WinnicottDavid TooleMagali SabySandra LaugierPatricia PapermanCecile De VerneuilFor a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack. | — | ||||||
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