
Mark Gignilliat and Heath Thomas on Reading the Old Testament as Christian Scripture
From Church Grammar by Brandon D. Smith
November 21, 2025 · 48 min
About this episode
A discussion on reading the Old Testament as Christian Scripture with Dr. Mark Gignilliat and Dr. Heath Thomas.
This episode is a conversation with Dr. Mark Gignilliat of Beeson Divinity School and Dr. Heath Thomas of Oklahoma Baptist University. We discuss foundational hermeneutical assumptions about canon, time, and providence (2:33), allegory, typology, and figural readings (23:04), and more. Read their latest book . Church Grammar is presented by the PhD and ThM programs at Gateway Seminary , which seek to blend the best of American and British programs by balancing a broad, robust education through seminars with close, one-on-one mentoring during the writing phase. Producer: Cody Barnhart. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Brandon D. Smith is Chair of the Hobbs School of Theology & Ministry and Associate Professor of Theology & Early Christianity at Oklahoma Baptist University , a co-founder of the  Center for Baptist Renewal , and  writes things . You can follow him  on Twitter  at @brandon_d_smith. Check out his recent books:  The Trinity in the Book of Revelation   (IVP Academic, 2022), The Biblical Trinity (Lexham, 2023), The Trinity in the Canon (B&H Academic, 2023), and Taught by God: Ancient Hermeneutics for the Modern Church…
People in this episode
Host: Brandon D. Smith
Guests: Mark Gignilliat, Heath Thomas
Topics covered
- Old Testament
- hermeneutics
- Christian Scripture
- allegory
- typology
- figural readings
Keywords
- canon
- time
- providence
Mentioned in this episode
Products: Reading the Old Testament as Christian Scripture
Books & works: Reading the Old Testament as Christian Scripture, Church Grammar, Purple Dinosaur, The Trinity in the Book of Revelation, The Biblical Trinity, The Trinity in the Canon, Taught by God, Beholding the Triune God
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