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EP114 — The Student Environmental Law Experience at HLS: Research, Clinics, and Community
May 7, 2026
46m 40s
EP113—The "God Squad's" Unprecedented Endangered Species Act National Security Exemption
Apr 9, 2026
42m 37s
EP112—Legal Implications of the US Withdrawal from the UNFCCC
Jan 26, 2026
51m 25s
EP111—Behind the Curtain of the Clean Utility Transition
Nov 20, 2025
40m 08s
EP110—How Maine Became a Heat Pump Leader
Nov 5, 2025
54m 52s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5/7/26 | EP114 — The Student Environmental Law Experience at HLS: Research, Clinics, and Community✨ | environmental lawlaw clinics+3 | HLS students | Emmett Environmental Law CenterEELP+1 | — | environmental lawHLS+4 | — | 46m 40s | |
| 4/9/26 | ![]() EP113—The "God Squad's" Unprecedented Endangered Species Act National Security Exemption✨ | Endangered Species Actnational security exemption+4 | Andy Mergen | Harvard Emmett Environmental Law & Policy ClinicEndangered Species Committee+2 | Gulf of Mexico | Endangered Species Actnational security+5 | — | 42m 37s | |
| 1/26/26 | ![]() EP112—Legal Implications of the US Withdrawal from the UNFCCC✨ | US withdrawal from UNFCCCclimate change+4 | Sue Biniaz | US State DepartmentYale Jackson School of Global Affairs+2 | United States | UNFCCCclimate lawyer+5 | — | 51m 25s | |
| 11/20/25 | ![]() EP111—Behind the Curtain of the Clean Utility Transition✨ | clean energyutility regulation+3 | Jamie Van Nostrand | Massachusetts Department of Public UtilitiesHLS Environmental & Energy Law Program | — | clean utility transitionregulatory frameworks+3 | — | 40m 08s | |
| 11/5/25 | EP110—How Maine Became a Heat Pump Leader✨ | home electrificationheat pumps+4 | Michael Stoddard | Efficiency Maine Trust | Maine | heat pumpsMaine+5 | — | 54m 52s | |
| 10/17/25 | ![]() EP109—Cumulative Impacts and the ‘Holy Grail’ of EJ Policy✨ | cumulative impacts analysisenvironmental justice+3 | Charles LeeSean Moriarty | EPANew Jersey Department of Environmental Protection+2 | — | cumulative impactsenvironmental justice+5 | — | 49m 53s | |
| 8/18/25 | ![]() Ep108—What Science and the Law Say about EPA’s Authority to Regulate GHGs✨ | EPA authoritygreenhouse gases+3 | Richard LazarusSolomon Hsiang | EPAHarvard Law+2 | — | EPAgreenhouse gases+5 | — | 53m 00s | |
| 8/6/25 | ![]() Ep107—Trump's Move to Kill the Clean Air Act's Climate Authority, Forever✨ | Clean Air Actclimate policy+4 | Jody FreemanJesse Jenkins | Trump administrationEPA+4 | — | Clean Air Actclimate authority+5 | — | 1h 05m 47s | |
| 7/31/25 | ![]() EP106—Bipartisan Reflections on EPA’s Past, Present, and Future (Part II)✨ | EPA historyenvironmental policy+3 | William ReillyChristine Todd Whitman | EPATrump administration | United States | EPAenvironmental protections+4 | — | 56m 34s | |
| 7/29/25 | ![]() EP105—Bipartisan Reflections on EPA’s Past, Present, and Future (Part I)✨ | EPAclimate change+4 | Gina McCarthy | EPATrump administration+2 | United States | EPAGina McCarthy+5 | — | 50m 55s | |
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| 7/15/25 | ![]() EP104—Breaking Down Recent Changes to NEPA from Agencies, Congress, and the Courts | EELP attorney Hannah Perls speaks with Professor Andrew Mergen, faculty director of Harvard’s Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic, about the latest updates to the National Environmental Policy Act, including new agency implementing procedures, the Supreme Court’s recent opinion in Eagle County, and amendments included in the One Big Beautiful Bill recently passed by Congress. They talk about what these changes mean in practice for project developers, impacted communities, and the environment. Transcript: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/CleanLaw_EP104-Transcript.pdf Links: NEPA overview https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/nepa-overview/ NEPA Regulatory Tracker page https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/tracker/nepa-environmental-review-requirements/ NEPA after Eagle County decision https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/the-future-of-nepa-and-federal-permitting-after-eagle-county/ CEQ's template and agencies' procedures https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/decoding-agencies-new-nepa-procedures/ "Energy emergency" declaration https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/the-trump-administrations-aggressive-anti-regulatory-pro-fossil-fuel-directives/ | — | ||||||
| 5/13/25 | ![]() EP103—The Future of Environmental Justice with MA AG Andrea Campbell and Vernice Miller-Travis | EELP Senior Staff Attorney Hannah Perls speaks with the Attorney General of Massachusetts, Andrea Joy Campbell, and Vernice Miller-Travis, Executive Vice President and Environmental Justice Lead at the Metropolitan Group. They discuss the Trump administration’s efforts to dismantle federal environmental justice and equity programs, funding, and priorities, and what those changes mean for critical infrastructure, toxics-free housing, access to clean air and clean water, and more. They also discuss what states and community-based organizations are doing in this moment to safeguard public health and environmental protections in Massachusetts and nationwide. Transcript: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/CleanLaw_EP103-Transcript.pdf Links: Multi-State Guidance Concerning Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility Employment Initiatives, from 16 state attorneys general, Feb. 13, 2025 https://www.mass.gov/doc/multi-state-guidance-concerning-diversity-equity-inclusion-and-accessibility-employment-initiatives/download Toxic Wastes and Race in the United States, a report from the United Church of Christ’s Commission for Racial Justice, 1987 https://www.ucc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/ToxicWastesRace.pdf Searchable map of facilities invited by EPA to apply for presidential exemptions from air pollution limits, compiled by EDF, April 30, 2025 https://www.edf.org/maps/epa-pollution-pass/ | — | ||||||
| 4/30/25 | ![]() Ep102—Unpacking the White House’s Legal Strategy for Attacking Environmental Protection | In this episode, EELP founding director and Harvard Law Professor Jody Freeman speaks with Carrie Jenks, EELP's executive director and Ari Peskoe, director of EELP's Electricity Law Initiative. They discuss President Trump's most recent executive orders on climate, energy, and the environment and what they are watching for as agencies begin to implement the administration’s directives to roll back environmental regulations; challenge state energy and climate policies, and revitalize the coal industry. Transcript available here: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CleanLaw_EP102-Transcript.pdf | — | ||||||
| 3/23/25 | ![]() Ep 101—Who Will Pay for Data Centers’ Massive Power Bills? It’s Probably You. | Electricity Law Initiative Director Ari Peskoe and EELP Fellow Eliza Martin discuss their new paper, Extracting Profits from the Public: How Utility Ratepayers are Paying for Big Tech Power. As Amazon, Google, Meta, and other technology companies try to secure electricity for their new data centers, electric utilities are expanding their systems to serve them. Because utility companies profit by building infrastructure, serving data centers is a lucrative opportunity that is incentivizing utilities to offer attractive rates to Big Tech companies. Ari and Eliza discuss how rate-setting processes can shift utility costs among ratepayers and explain how rate structures, as well as contracts between utilities and data centers, could be transferring Big Tech’s energy costs to the public. Transcript https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/CleanLaw_EP101-Transcript.pdf Read the paper https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/extracting-profits-from-the-public-how-utility-ratepayers-are-paying-for-big-techs-power/ | — | ||||||
| 2/13/25 | ![]() Ep 100—Trump’s Bold Reversal on Energy and Climate Policy: ‘It’s a Lot’ | EELP founding director and Harvard Law Professor Jody Freeman speaks with Harvard Law Professor Richard Lazarus, Andy Mergen, director of the Harvard Law Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic, and Carrie Jenks, executive director of the Environmental and Energy Law Program. They discuss the Trump administration’s actions to date on climate, energy, environment, and natural resources and break down which actions have an immediate effect, what will take time, and what they will be watching for, including actions affecting the federal workforce. They also discuss why the practice and study of law matter now more than ever. Transcript at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/CleanLaw_EP100-Transcript.pdf Our analysis of the Trump administration's initial executive orders https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/trumps-environmental-and-energy-executive-orders-initial-insights-and-what-were-watching/ Our rollback resources https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/topic/rollback-resources/ Our Regulatory Tracker https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/tracker-type/regulatory-tracker/ Our Federal Environmental Justice Tracker https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/tracker-type/environmental-justice-tracker/ | — | ||||||
| 12/2/24 | ![]() Ep 99—Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, Part II: Environmental Justice Lawyering in Practice | EELP senior staff attorney Hannah Perls speaks with speaks with Debbie Chizewer and Nick Leonard about environmental justice lawyering, including leveraging Title VI of the Civil Rights Act on behalf of frontline communities. Debbie Chizewer is a managing attorney with Earthjustice based in Chicago, where she leads the organization's Midwest litigation strategy. Nick Leonard is the executive director of the Great Lakes Environmental Law Center based in Detroit, which provides legal representation to communities across Michigan. This is the second episode in a 2-part series on Title VI. Transcript at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/CleanLaw_EP99.pdf Links mentioned in episode: Episode I in this series https://soundcloud.com/user-995691545/ep-9860-years-of-title-vi-of-the-civil-rights-act-part-1-la-v-epa Great Lakes Environmental Law Center https://glelc.org/ Earthjustice Midwest Office https://earthjustice.org/office/midwest CARE v. EPA, No. 4:15-03292-SBA (N.D. Cal.) https://earthjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/114.20order20032030202018.pdf US Ecology Agreement between Michigan EGLE and Complainants https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/default/files/2024-08/title-vi-use-north-2024-08-29-title-vi-complaint-agreement-complaint-no-20-001-d-use-north-final_.pdf | — | ||||||
| 10/25/24 | ![]() Ep 98—60 Years of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, Part 1: LA v EPA | EELP Senior Staff Attorney Hannah Perls speaks with Olatunde Johnson, the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Professor of Law at Columbia Law School. Professor Johnson and Hannah discuss the history and evolution of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, a crucial legal tool for the environmental justice movement. Earlier this year, a federal judge blocked EPA and the Department of Justice from enforcing their Title VI rules prohibiting actions that disparately impact communities of color in the state of Louisiana, and now those rules are at risk of being struck down nationwide. This is the first episode in a 2-part series on Title VI. Transcript at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/CleanLaw_EP98.pdf Links mentioned in show: Louisiana v EPA - https://earthjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/2024.08.22-cain-judgement.pdf Our podcast on the "Quagmire Quartet" Suite of Supreme Court Decisions Undermine Administrative Law -https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/cleanlaw-suite-of-supreme-court-decisions-undermine-administrative-law/ Petition for Rulemaking on Title VI from Republican-led Attorneys General - https://www.myfloridalegal.com/sites/default/files/2024-04/epa-title-vi-comment-final.pdf Response to Petition for Rulemaking from Environmental Justice and Civil Rights Groups - https://www.nclc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024.09.04_Letter_Title-VI-Response-cover-letter-executive-summary-response-letter.pdf Democratic AGs’ Response to the Petition for Rulemaking - https://stateimpactcenter.org/files/AG_Actions_NY_Response_FL_Rulemaking_Petition_9.5.24.pdf Olatunde C. Johnson, Lawyering That Has No Name: Title VI and the Meaning of Private Enforcement, 66 Stan. L. Rev. 1293 (2014). - https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/faculty_scholarship/1094/ | — | ||||||
| 8/22/24 | ![]() Monumental Decisions: The Antiquities Act and Presidential Authority | EELP senior staff attorney Sara Dewey speaks with Andy Mergen, Faculty Director of the Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic at Harvard Law School and former chief of the Appellate Section of the Environment & Natural Resources Division at the Department of Justice. Andy and Sara discuss the origin and evolution of presidential authority to designate national monuments under the Antiquities Act, how Congress and the courts have responded to these designations over the act’s 118-year history, present day legal challenges to the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments, and what could be ahead for monuments in the Supreme Court. Transcript here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CleanLaw_EP97-final.pdf | — | ||||||
| 7/12/24 | ![]() Ep 96—Suite of Supreme Court Decisions Undermine Administrative Law | In this episode, EELP Founding Director and Harvard Law Professor Jody Freeman speaks with Andy Mergen, faculty director of the Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic at Harvard Law School and former chief of the Appellate Section of the Environment & Natural Resources Division at the Department of Justice. Jody and Andy break down what they call the “Quagmire Quartet” of recent Supreme Court decisions that overturn the Chevron doctrine and undermine administrative agencies. They discuss the new challenges that federal agencies will face as they work to protect the public, the ways in which the Supreme Court has centralized power in the judiciary, how courts can continue to uphold important federal rules, and why they have hope. Transcript available at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw_EP96-transcript.pdf | — | ||||||
| 6/13/24 | ![]() Ep 95—The Road to Clean Cars and Clean Air: California's Pivotal Role | California has had a pivotal role in creating US clean car and clean air regulations under multiple administrations. In this episode, EELP Founding Director and Harvard Law Professor, Jody Freeman, speaks with Mary Nichols, former Chair of the California Air Resources Board and California's Secretary for Natural Resources, as well as former Assistant Administrator for EPA's Office of Air and Radiation. They discuss California's role in driving car and air emissions regulation, how automakers and market forces have evolved since the 1970s, and what may happen in the coming years under either election outcome. Transcript: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Jody-and-Mary-episode-95.pdf | — | ||||||
| 6/11/24 | ![]() Ep 94—FERC’s New Approach to Improving Transmission Investment, Order No. 1920 | Ari Peskoe, director of our Electricity Law Initiative, speaks with Claire Wayner, senior associate at RMI's Carbon-Free Electricity program, and Casey Baker senior program manager at GridLab. They discuss how the utility industry thinks about building new high-voltage transmission lines and how FERC Order No. 1920 attempts to push the industry to develop more transmission to accommodate new, clean sources of electricity while maintaining a reliable and affordable power system. Transcript (pdf): https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw_EP94.pdf | — | ||||||
| 5/13/24 | ![]() Ep 93 — Wicked Resilient: Climate Adaptation in Massachusetts | Hannah Perls, EELP Senior Staff Attorney, and Deanna Moran, vice president of healthy and resilient communities at the Conservation Law Foundation in Boston, walk through some of the surprising ways that law and policy drive adaptation decisions in Massachusetts and beyond, including state and local building codes, design standards and risk disclosures, how to make our utilities more resilient without forcing ratepayers to bear the costs, and permitting. We also dig into current advocacy efforts for a wicked resilient New England. Show notes: Conservation Law Foundation report on The Massachusetts State Building Code & Climate Change https://www.clf.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/CLF_ClimateCodeReport_2019.pdf Environmental Law Institute report on State Protection of Nonfederal Waters: Turbidity Continues https://www.eli.org/sites/default/files/files-pdf/52.10679.pdf An Act Promoting Climate Safe Buildings https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/SD18 An Act Relative to Electric Utility Climate Resilience and Microgrids https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/SD786 Follow Deanna on X/Twitter demoran18 Transcript: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw_EP93-1.pdf | — | ||||||
| 1/17/24 | ![]() Ep 92 — The Endangered Species Act at 50: Potent Statute, Risky Future | The Endangered Species Act, which turned 50 years old on December 28, 2023, has been described as one of the most potent environmental law statutes ever enacted. Harvard Law Professor Richard Lazarus and Andy Mergen, director of the Harvard Law Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic, discuss the initial bipartisan support for the act, the Supreme Court cases that shaped its implementation, and the success of the law in protecting numerous species. They also talk about how the Endangered Species Act could be improved and the risks that it may face in the future. Transcript (PDF): https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw-EP92.pdf | — | ||||||
| 12/28/23 | ![]() Ep 91—Global and US Methane Initiatives | In this episode Harvard Law professor and EELP’s Founding Director Jody Freeman, speaks with Bjorn Otto Sverdrup, Chair of the Oil and Gas Climate Initiative’s Oil and Gas Executive Committee, Riley Duren, CEO and Founder of Carbon Mapper, Peter Zalzal Distinguished Counsel and Associate Vice President of Clean Air Strategies at Environmental Defense Fund, and EELP’s Executive Director, Carrie Jenks. They discuss international and domestic efforts to reduce methane emissions, the Global Methane Pledge from COP 26, the Oil and Gas Decarbonization Charter from COP 28, the Biden administration’s recently released final methane rule for the oil and natural gas sector, the technology innovation that is making it increasingly possible to detect methane leaks, and the climate benefits of focusing on methane. Transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw-91-transcript.pdf | — | ||||||
| 11/1/23 | ![]() Ep 90—Replacing the Utility Transmission Syndicate’s Control, Ari Peskoe & Hannah Dobie | Ari Peskoe, director of our Electricity Law Initiative, speaks with Staff Attorney Hannah Dobie about Ari’s new article about power sector governance, Replacing the Utility Transmission Syndicate’s Control. They discuss how FERC’s legal authority shapes regional governance, how independent decisionmaking by Regional Transmission Organizations is compromised by utilities and other incumbent firms, and why this is holding back the industry’s innovative potential. Transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CleanLaw-90-transcript-RTO.pdf Ari's paper is here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/replacing-the-utility-transmission-syndicates-control/ Show notes with graphic mentioned at 23:15 https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/cleanlaw-replacing-the-utility-transmission-syndicates-control-hannah-dobie-interviews-ari-peskoe-about-his-new-article-in-energy-law-journal/ | — | ||||||
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