
De Facto Leaders
by Dr. Karen Dudek-Brannan
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Five External Signs of Executive Dysfunction That Show Up At School
Aug 26, 2026
24m 30s
You don’t need “buy in” from teachers to get executive functioning support into classrooms.
Aug 12, 2026
35m 02s
Working on "regulation", but seeing students get more dysregulated? Here's why that's happening.
Jul 29, 2026
23m 41s
Still trying to do social skills intervention with a 20-minute social skills group? Do this instead.
Jul 15, 2026
16m 54s
The Impact of Overaccommodation in K–12 on Independence in College and Beyond (with Jill Fahy)
Jul 1, 2026
1h 05m 23s
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| 8/26/26 | Five External Signs of Executive Dysfunction That Show Up At School | “Demand avoidance”, poor generalization, prompt-dependence, and social skills challenges seem like isolated issues. But often they’re not. Many times they’re tied to executive functioning challenges. That’s why when I describe “executive dysfunction”, I cluster it into five broad areas:Attention, Learning Challenges, Behavioral Issues, Organization, and Social SkillsUsually, this is the point that the lightbulb goes on for a lot of clinicians and educators in the room as they realize executive functioning is the common sticking point behind many of their students’ challenges.When I support clinicians in designing executive functioning intervention frameworks, I start with explaining the external signs. Things like:✅ Refusing to do even the simplest of tasks, and putting more effort into avoiding the work than it would take to actually do it✅Behaviors that seem disproportionate to the situation, melt downs over things that barely phase their peers✅ Always appearing to be several steps behind✅ Not “reading the room” during functional tasks, and requiring tons of prompts✅ Lack of awareness of how they’re coming across to othersIn episode 266 of De Facto Leaders, I do a deep dive into these five external signs that tie back to executive functioning challenges. In this episode, I mention the Task Execution and Planning Protocol, which gives school clinicians an intervention strategy that takes students from “demand avoidance” and prompt dependence to independence during daily academic and functional tasks. You can learn more about the Task Execution and Planning Protocol here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/taskexecutionIn this episode, I mentioned School of Clinical Leadership, my program that helps related service providers design scalable executive functioning interventions to ensure students get the scaffolding they need across the school day. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/clinicalleadership | 24m 30s | ||||||
| 8/12/26 | You don’t need “buy in” from teachers to get executive functioning support into classrooms. | Many school clinicians know executive functioning is important. They also know that their entire team should be supporting it across general and special education settings. But they don’t always know what exactly that looks like in practice…And if they do, they don’t know HOW they can change the practices of classroom teachers. There are a lot of unanswered questions. …How can I find time to think about changing teacher’s practices when I barely have time to manage my own workload? …What is my role if students don’t “qualify” for services on an IEP? …Doesn’t adding executive functioning to my plate open up a whole can of worms I’ll never be able to manage as a related service provider? …Even if I should be involved, how do I get teachers and administrators to “buy in?”In this episode, I share how I help school clinicians not just answer these questions, but actually get executive functioning support in place…Even if they’re not administrators…Without taking them away from their existing responsibilities or causing role confusion…And, even if they don’t have “buy in” from everyone on their team that they SHOULD be involved with executive functioning. As you listen, I invite you to consider that you MIGHT NOT need to get buy-in to start. The buy in comes with the process because it helps to “stack” the evidence you need to gain traction along the way. And…the reason that no one can give you a clear answer on how or what your role is because a clear framework doesn’t exist. People don’t give you an answer because most people don’t know HOW executive functioning support should look in schools. That’s an opportunity for YOU to define how that looks. Which you are one of the most qualified people in your building to do if you’re an SLP, social worker, psychologist, counselor, or other related service provider. And if you do it the right way, it can save you time and get better support for students in place at the same time. I share why that’s the case in episode 265 of De Facto Leaders. In this episode, I mentioned my free training where I share three mistakes professionals make when supporting executive functioning (that result in prompt-dependence and dysregulation). In this training, I cover the following:✅ Already working on executive functioning, and not seeing results? It could be because you're NOT truly working on executive functioning, even though you think you are. Learn how to make the subtle shifts that make all the difference.✅ Are severe behaviors preventing ANY true skill development? Learn the common mistakes school teams make (related to executive functioning) that create prompt-dependence and dysregulation, and what to do instead.✅ Are students struggling with peers, even though you're working on social skills? I'll share why "social skills groups" rarely result in good skill-transfer, and how to shift your service-deliver model to help students self-advocate and form relationships.✅ Not sure your team will buy-in to supporting executive functioning in classrooms? Learn the 3-part framework I teach SLPs, social workers, psychologists, counselors, and other interventionists that helps them implement building-wide executive functioning intervention, even with a huge caseload.You can sign up for this training here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/efleadershipIn this episode, I mentioned School of Clinical Leadership, my program that helps related service providers design scalable executive functioning interventions to ensure students get the scaffolding they need across the school day. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/clinicalleadership | 35m 02s | ||||||
| 7/29/26 | Working on "regulation", but seeing students get more dysregulated? Here's why that's happening. | Many school teams AREN’T actually working on executive functioning when they think they are.As a result, they’re being more flexible and accommodating than ever, giving students a chance to process after behavioral escalations…Yet they’re seeing students continue to be dysregulated. In some cases, it’s getting worse. The same thing goes for helping kids stay organized and manage work. Kids refuse to use organizers and lists, forget to use them when it’s relevant, or require a ton of adult prompting when they actually ARE using them.In my free training, I share why these things happen. This free training, which I’ve recently updated, is called “How to Be Evidence-Based and Neurodiversity-Affirming With Executive Functioning Support”.In the training, I cover three common mistakes school teams make when implementing “executive functioning interventions”. In episode 264 of De Facto Leaders, I share two of those three mistakes. When you listen to this episode, you’ll discover:✅ Why students sometimes seem MORE dysregulated when asked to talk about melt downs or why they made a poor choice.✅ The relationship between executive dysfunction, anxiety, and time perception.✅ Why students aren’t more organized, even though you’ve giving them organizing tools like lists and plannersPlus, I share two case studies, including:✅ The student who was melting down during passing period, and why giving him more time to process his feelings was the last thing he needed (and how we supported him)✅ The student who could make himself throw up whenever we asked him to do a non-preferred task who became MORE distrustful of adults the more flexible we were.In this episode, I mentioned my free training where I share three mistakes professionals make when supporting executive functioning (that result in prompt-dependence and dysregulation). In this training, I cover the following:✅ Already working on executive functioning, and not seeing results? It could be because you're NOT truly working on executive functioning, even though you think you are. Learn how to make the subtle shifts that make all the difference.✅ Are severe behaviors preventing ANY true skill development? Learn the common mistakes school teams make (related to executive functioning) that create prompt-dependence and dysregulation, and what to do instead.✅ Are students struggling with peers, even though you're working on social skills? I'll share why "social skills groups" rarely result in good skill-transfer, and how to shift your service-deliver model to help students self-advocate and form relationships.✅ Not sure your team will buy-in to supporting executive functioning in classrooms? Learn the 3-part framework I teach SLPs, social workers, psychologists, counselors, and other interventionists that helps them implement building-wide executive functioning intervention, even with a huge caseload.You can sign up for this training here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/efleadershipIn this episode, I mentioned School of Clinical Leadership, my program that helps related service providers design scalable executive functioning interventions to ensure students get the scaffolding they need across the school day. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/clinicalleadership | 23m 41s | ||||||
| 7/15/26 | social skills interventionexecutive functioning+3 | — | School of Clinical LeadershipYouTube | — | social skillsintervention+5 | — | 16m 54s | ||
| 7/1/26 | overaccommodationK-12 education+4 | Jill Fahy | Department of Communication Disorders & SciencesSTEP+1 | — | accommodationK-12+6 | — | 1h 05m 23s | ||
| 6/24/26 | phonicsdyslexia+4 | Lori Josephson | Orton-Gillingham AcademyWilson Language+1 | — | phonicsdyslexia+5 | — | 52m 16s | ||
| 6/10/26 | language therapyexecutive functioning+3 | — | — | — | language interventionexecutive functioning+4 | — | 30m 20s | ||
| 5/27/26 | AACgestalt language processing+5 | Kim Jenkins | Empowering Speech ServicesLanguage Therapy Advance Foundations | — | AACgestalt language processing+5 | — | 1h 05m 59s | ||
| 5/13/26 | language therapyliteracy interventions+3 | — | Language Therapy Advance Foundationsdrkarenspeech.com | — | language therapyscalable system+3 | Playworks | 32m 15s | ||
| 5/6/26 | recesssocial skills+3 | Elizabeth Cushing | Playworks | — | recesssocial skills+5 | — | 53m 41s | ||
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| 4/29/26 | collaborationschool systems+3 | Kurtis Hewson | Jigsaw LearningCorwin+1 | — | collaborative responseeducational collaboration+3 | — | 52m 31s | ||
| 4/15/26 | student wellnesscommunity engagement+3 | Lauren Porosoff | The Teacher NerdEthical Culture Fieldston School | New York | student wellnessengagement+5 | — | 55m 05s | ||
| 4/1/26 | language therapyclinical containers+3 | — | Language Therapy Advance Foundationsdrkarenspeech.com | — | language therapyclinical containers+3 | — | 19m 01s | ||
| 3/18/26 | speech-language pathologylanguage therapy+3 | — | Language Therapy Advance Foundations | — | SLPlanguage therapy+3 | Playworks | 26m 38s | ||
| 3/4/26 | education as a businessschool leadership+3 | — | Language Therapy Advance Foundations | — | educationschool systems+3 | Playworks | 27m 03s | ||
| 2/18/26 | virtual learningfield trips+3 | Seth Fleischauer | Banyan Global Learning | — | virtual field tripsdigital learning+3 | — | 1h 06m 54s | ||
| 2/4/26 | virtual speech technologyeducation technology+4 | Maura Connor | Streamlinevirtual speech helper+1 | — | virtual speech helperAI technology+6 | — | 44m 02s | ||
| 1/21/26 | EdTechend user+3 | Maura Connor | EdTechFinTech | — | EdTechend user+3 | — | 45m 03s | ||
| 1/7/26 | clinical expertisescalability+4 | — | Language Therapy Advance Foundations | — | clinical expertisescalable systems+5 | — | 25m 50s | ||
| 12/31/25 | language therapyparent support+3 | — | Language Therapy Advance Foundationsdrkarenspeech.com | — | language skillstherapy resources+3 | — | 34m 12s | ||
| 12/24/25 | storytellingnarrative intervention+3 | Jane Gebers | Books Are for Talking, Too! | — | storytellingnarrative intervention+3 | — | 42m 42s | ||
| 12/17/25 | What's the point of teaching storytelling? (with Jane Gebers) | Why are we so obsessed with “storytelling”?In education, we talk about it when we’re working on language and reading comprehension. It’s also referred to in sales and copy writing as a tool for generating more leads and customers. And of course, people writing books or films think about it all the time. We all know storytelling is an important life skill. But do we remember HOW MUCH it can impact our ability to communicate and function? And do we know how to support students who don’t have this skill?I invited my colleague Jane Gebers to the De Facto Leaders podcast to discuss this topic. If you’re helping students build skills for functional daily tasks, challenging academic work, or in social situations, you won’t want to miss this conversation. In this first half of the interview, we talk about the “why” behind teaching narrative discourse, plus specific examples of how we’ve both used narrative structure to build our own comprehension.Jane L. Gebers is the author of the popular resource, Books Are for Talking, Too!, first published in 1990, and now in its 4th edition as of March 2023. A practicing speech-language pathologist for over 40 years, she has worked in public school, hospital, private, and clinical settings. She has been an adjunct professor at St. Mary’s College of California and other universities where she taught Language Development, Assessment, and Intervention courses to students pursuing special education credentials. She currently holds a private practice in Northern California.You can connect with Jane on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jane-l-gebers-53856119/Email her at [email protected] more about her book, Books Are For Talking, Too! here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C2SG8J58?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_RR4P3SB19A92WD6FPD3RLearn more about her storytelling resources and speech therapy services on her website here: http://soundingyourbest.com/ In this episode, I mentioned Language Therapy Advance Foundations, my program that gives speech pathologists a framework for building language skills needed to thrive in school, social situations, and daily life. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarenspeech.com/languagetherapyI also mentioned the Art and Science of Narrative Language, my program that gives speech pathologists and educational professionals a process for evaluating and supporting narrative language. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarenspeech.lpages.co/art-science-narratives-blog-297/ | 35m 39s | ||||||
| 12/10/25 | Not seeing generalization? You might be the bottleneck. | If your therapy techniques only work when you’re in the room, that’s a problem.Many therapists unintentionally “gatekeep” their expertise and miss opportunities to boost carryover.It’s the unexpected downside of being really good at direct clinical work. Don’t get me wrong. Clinical judgment does matter. And some things can only be addressed by a trained clinician in a therapy room.But when every decision depends on your personal expertise and physical presence, you’ve made yourself the bottleneck.In this episode, I’ll share how to make the shift towards clear, repeatable systems that others can follow. When you make your methods easier to teach, you make your work scalable, easier to delegate, and far more convincing to leadership.I’ll tackle common misconceptions like:✅ “I can’t delegate; I don’t have direct reports.”✅ “I don’t have time for consultation.”✅ “We never get enough time to work on skills.”Plus I share the three steps to making intervention “scalable” so your session plans can start doubling as consultation guides and training tools for others.In this episode, I mentioned Language Therapy Advance Foundations, my program that gives speech pathologists a framework for building language skills needed to thrive in school, social situations, and daily life. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarenspeech.com/languagetherapyI also mentioned the School of Clinical Leadership, my program that helps related service providers develop scalable executive functioning strategies they can turn into schoolwide initiatives. You can learn more about the program here: https://drkarendudekbrannan.com/clinicalleadership | 25m 00s | ||||||
| 12/3/25 | Part 3: What’s the Point of a Language Evaluation? Breaking Down Diagnostic Accuracy, Standards, and Scores (with Destiny Johnson and Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz) | Where did arbitrary cut scores for norm-referenced language assessments come from, and why do they feel “safer” than relying on clinical judgement?I discuss this question and more in this third part of a three-part series, bilingual SLPs Destiny Johnson and Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz join me to continue our conversation about advocating for effective language evaluation practices in schools.Across these conversations, we explore:Sensitivity, specificity, reference standards, and diagnostic accuracyHow test development has evolved over time and why this matters Why the same cut-off score shouldn’t apply across all testsThe math behind using two norm-referenced tests, and why it may complicate rather than clarify in some casesOther reasons we test beyond diagnosis (treatment planning, severity, monitoring progress)How do we do we to “sell” the concept of dynamic assessment to administratorsCase studies that show the pitfalls of over-reliance on standardized scoresMisconceptions clinicians often hold, and what they should know about assessmentDifferences in state eligibility standards, and what this means for service decisionsThis series is part myth-busting, part practical strategies, and part advocacy playbook—perfect for clinicians who want to move beyond compliance-driven evaluations toward assessments that truly reflect students’ needs.Destiny Johnson, M.S., CCC-SLP, is a bilingual speech-language pathologist (English/Spanish) with a deep passion for culturally responsive assessment and treatment practices, as well as advocating for policy change. She has presented on dynamic assessment at the CSHA Convergence 2024, focusing on the importance of dynamic assessment in bilingual children. Destiny has experience working as a school-based SLP, in private practice, and in early intervention. She is also the founder and CEO of Multimodal Communication Speech Clinic P.C.Connect with Destiny on Instagram @destinyjohnsonslp, on her private practice website here, and on LinkedIn here.Listen to Destiny’s previous episode on De Facto Leaders here: EP 187: Dynamic Assessment: Evaluations are a process, not a test (with Destiny Johnson)Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz is a bilingual high school SLP from Southern California who has primarily worked in the school systems and has experience at both the elementary and secondary level. She’s also a member of Language Therapy Advance Foundations, and is involved in state and local advocacy work relating to dynamic assessments and special education eligibility.Connect with Tiffany on Instagram @tiffany.shahoumianListen to Tiffany’s previous episode on De Facto Leaders here: High school language therapy: Do we still have time to make an impact? (with Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz)In this episode, I mention Language Therapy Advance Foundations, my program that gives SLPs and other service providers a system for language therapy. You can learn more about the program here.Additional Resources Mentioned in the episode:Daub, O., Cunningham, B. J., Bagatto, M. P., Johnson, A. M., Kwok, E. Y., Smyth, R. E., & Oram Cardy, J. (2021). Adopting a conceptual validity framework for testing in speech-language pathology. American Journal of Speech-Language Pathology, 30(4), 1894–1908. https://doi.org/10.1044/2021_AJSLP-20-00032Spaulding, T. J., Plante, E., & Farinella, K. A. (2006). Eligibility criteria for language impairment: Is the low end of normal always appropriate? Language, Speech, and Hearing Services in Schools, 37(1), 61–72. https://doi.org/10.1044/0161-1461(2006/007)DYMOND Norm-Referenced Dynamic AssessmentBilingual English-Spanish Assessment (BESA) | 33m 36s | ||||||
| 11/25/25 | Part 2: What’s the Point of a Language Evaluation? Breaking Down Diagnostic Accuracy, Standards, and Scores (with Destiny Johnson and Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz) | When we choose evaluation tools for language, are we clear on WHY we’re assessing? Most people think of diagnosis, but that’s not the only reason we assess students. I discuss this question and more in this second part of a three-part series, bilingual SLPs Destiny Johnson and Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz join me to continue our conversation about language evaluation practices in schools.Across these conversations, we explore:Sensitivity, specificity, reference standards, and diagnostic accuracyHow test development has evolved over time and why this matters Why the same cut-off score shouldn’t apply across all testsThe math behind using two norm-referenced tests, and why it may complicate rather than clarify in some casesOther reasons we test beyond diagnosis (treatment planning, severity, monitoring progress)How do we do we to “sell” the concept of dynamic assessment to administratorsCase studies that show the pitfalls of over-reliance on standardized scoresMisconceptions clinicians often hold, and what they should know about assessmentDifferences in state eligibility standards, and what this means for service decisionsThis series is part myth-busting, part practical strategies, and part advocacy playbook—perfect for clinicians who want to move beyond compliance-driven evaluations toward assessments that truly reflect students’ needs.Destiny Johnson, M.S., CCC-SLP, is a bilingual speech-language pathologist (English/Spanish) with a deep passion for culturally responsive assessment and treatment practices, as well as advocating for policy change. She has presented on dynamic assessment at the CSHA Convergence 2024, focusing on the importance of dynamic assessment in bilingual children. Destiny has experience working as a school-based SLP, in private practice, and in early intervention. She is also the founder and CEO of Multimodal Communication Speech Clinic P.C.Connect with Destiny on Instagram @destinyjohnsonslp, on her private practice website here, and on LinkedIn here.Listen to Destiny’s previous episode on De Facto Leaders here: EP 187: Dynamic Assessment: Evaluations are a process, not a test (with Destiny Johnson)Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz is a bilingual high school SLP from Southern California who has primarily worked in the school systems and has experience at both the elementary and secondary level. She’s also a member of Language Therapy Advance Foundations, and is involved in state and local advocacy work relating to dynamic assessments and special education eligibility.Connect with Tiffany on Instagram @tiffany.shahoumianListen to Tiffany’s previous episode on De Facto Leaders here: High school language therapy: Do we still have time to make an impact? (with Tiffany Shahoumian-Ruiz)In this episode, I mention Language Therapy Advance Foundations, my program that gives SLPs and other service providers create a system for language therapy. You can learn more about the program here.Additional Resources Mentioned in the episode:Daub, O., Cunningham, B. J., Bagatto, M. P., Johnson, A. M., Kwok, E. Y., Smyth, R. E., & Oram Cardy, J. (2021). Adopting a conceptual validity framework for testing in speech-language pathology. American Journal of Speech-Language Pathology, 30(4), 1894–1908. https://doi.org/10.1044/2021_AJSLP-20-00032Spaulding, T. J., Plante, E., & Farinella, K. A. (2006). Eligibility criteria for language impairment: Is the low end of normal always appropriate? Language, Speech, and Hearing Services in Schools, 37(1), 61–72. https://doi.org/10.1044/0161-1461(2006/007)DYMOND Norm-Referenced Dynamic AssessmentBilingual English-Spanish Assessment (BESA) | 29m 53s | ||||||
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Chart history for De Facto Leaders
Peaked at #26 in CL, currently #26 in CL.
| Market | Genre | Peak | Current | Trend |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| CL | — | #26 | #26 | — |
| Canada | — | #89 | #89 | — |
| United States | — | #189 | #189 | — |
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3 placements across 3 markets.
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3 placements across 3 markets.