Don't Shoot The Messenger

SIX QUICK QUESTIONS – FOR RED ENERGY Red Energy. Moving home? Stress less and make the move to Red Energy. Call 131 806. Corrie to Libbi: Can the diversity of the soccer team change peoples’ views on immigration. Is sport that powerful? Libbi to Corrie: Did you ever expect the Sorrento Writers Festival to get so big Corrie to Libbi: The appeal of Paulie Hanson after her parliamentary debut in 1994: please Explain Corrie’s article recommendation: ⁠https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/15/pauline-hanson-one-nation-borrow-from-trump-grievance-politics-ntwnfb ⁠ Libbi to Corrie: What was this week’s brush with sexism Corrie to Libbi: If you were to resurrect the indomitable Elle McFeast for just one more interview show, who would be your dream interviewee/s Libbi to Corrie: If the Festival gods granted you one wish to have any writer in the world alive today, who would it be

ON THIS EPISODE Special guests - Gerard Whateley and Libbi Gorr The power of sport - and its ability to unite Book, Screen and Food recommendations from Corrie, Gerard and Libbi The rising popularity of Pauline Hansen – why? The posters on your bedroom wall as you grew up... This Sporting Life - How Libbi was drawn to sport (played as a kid, watched as a spectator, Elle McFeast etc.) - Libbi’s daughter and son’s emerging careers in soccer - The World Cup – why these large events are so magical – and how it brings everybody together to be experts and barrack together - Why the Socceroos are a true reflection of the country, according to Gerard Whateley - How Gerard was drawn to sport (played as a kid, watched as a spectator, early sporting journo days) - Early sporting heroes and heroines, memorable moments, matches, races, spectacles - Why sport? And which particular sport/s float your boat - Sports commentary , podcasts and programs, and sports journalism: how far sport coverage has come, and where to from here - Libbi with her podcast ‘Red Card for Mummy” and Gerard’s successful SEN and Foxtel programs BSF, brought to us by Red Energy. Owned by Snowy Hydro, a leader in renewable energy. Switch to 100% Aussie owned Red Energy. BOOK: LIBBI: Before The Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguch “What an elegant, sweet, profound little book. It is such an elegantly written book” – Libbi GERARD: The Land In Winter by Andrew Miller “I thought it was beautifully written and immersive” – Gerard SCREEN: CORRIE AND LIBBI: Hacks on STAN “Does it surprise you that I love this with all of my heart!?” – Libbi “It’s really good. Start at the beginning and do an emersion” GERARD: A Spy Among Friends “Classic English spy series. Brilliantly shot Ciao, England, US, Russia… The way Guy Pearce ages through it… He’s brilliant. It has a such a style scene at the end, it’s really satisfying” FOOD: GERARD: Tahini Granola https://28bysamwood.com/recipes/tahini-granola/ LIBBI: Libbi’s Brisket Soup SIX QUICK QUESTIONS – FOR RED ENERGY Red Energy. Moving home? Stress less and make the move to Red Energy. Call 131 806. Corrie to Libbi: Can the diversity of the soccer team change peoples’ views on immigration. Is sport that powerful? Libbi to Corrie: Did you ever expect the Sorrento Writers Festival to get so big Corrie to Libbi: The appeal of Paulie Hanson after her parliamentary debut in 1994: please Explain Corrie’s article recommendation: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/15/pauline-hanson-one-nation-borrow-from-trump-grievance-politics-ntwnfb Libbi to Corrie: What was this week’s brush with sexism Corrie to Libbi: If you were to resurrect the indomitable Elle McFeast for just one more interview show, who would be your dream interviewee/s Libbi to Corrie: If the Festival gods granted you one wish to have any writer in the world alive today, who would it be

SIX QUICK QUESTIONS FOR RED ENERGY Red Energy. Moving home? Stress less and make the move to Red Energy. Call 131 806. Caro to Corrie: If you had the time and the resources to start another podcast, what would be the topic Corrie to Caro: If you had the time and the resources to start another podcast, what would be the topic Caro to Corrie: When it comes to BSF, which do you wish you had more time to enjoy Corrie to Caro: When it comes to BSF, which do you wish you had more time to enjoy Caro to Corrie: If you could have one famous Australan as a guest on the podcast, who would it be Corrie to Caro: If you could have one famous Australan as a guest on the podcast, who would it be

BSF. BSF brought to us by Red Energy. Owned by Snowy Hydro, a leader in renewable energy. Switch to 100% Aussie owned Red Energy. BOOK: C&C - OUR BEST BOOKS ACROSS THE 400 EPS Caro: Ian McEwan - Lessons "A book about history, the Berlin War... History through a man's life. I absolutely LOVED Lessons." Kate Atkinson - Life After Live "One of the best books I've ever read." Ann Patchett - Bel Canto "It's an absolutely beautiful book." Maggie O'Farrelll - The Hand That First Held Mine "A beautiful, poignant story" Corrie: Sarah Winman - Still Life "I knew within a couple of chapters this was a profoundly important book. So many poddies discovered Sarah... We love Sarah Winman." Maggie O'Farrell - Hamnet "It was a privilege to bring Hamnet to everyone." John Boyne - The Elements (series) "All four books, that series was outstanding." Ann Patchett - The Dutch House "I just thought it was such a fine novel." Robbie Arnot - Dusk "That was a great book." And we both fell in love with William Boyd. And another mention for Jonathan Coe and Middle England. SCREEN: C & C - OUR 3 BEST SCREENS Caro: Slow Horses “It has broken the barriers for me. It’s resurrected a lot of careers… Kristin Scott Thomas, Gary Oldman.” Judy: “A very small snapshot of the life of Jude Garland, played by Renée Zellweger, who is absolutely brilliant... It’s very sad, brilliantly performed and ultimately triumphant.” Operation Mincemeat Barbie: “A real showstopper. I loved Barbie. The script and the story... Something for everyone” Corrie: The Crown: “We have discussed and discussed The Crown.” Zero Zero Zero: “A fantastic crime show, about drug cartels. It’s brilliant.” Billions: “Wonderful!” FOOD: C& C - OUR 3 BEST RECIPES A Recipe from Corrie: APPLE and RASPBERRY CAKE "It's stunning!" This has always been a really popular cake and once cooked someone always asks for the recipe. Preparation time: 15 minutes Cooking time: 40-45 minutes Serves: 8 3 granny smith apples 125g butter 1½ cups self raising flour ¾ cup caster sugar 1 egg 1 teaspoon vanilla 1 punnet raspberries icing sugar to top thick cream or ice cream to serve Preheat the oven to 180°C. Grease and line a round cake tin with baking paper. Slice and cook the apples. Drain and wrap cooked apples in kitchen paper to absorb as much moisture as possible. Melt the butter. Add the sifted flour, sugar, egg and vanilla and beat with a wooden spoon until smooth. Press ¾ of the mix into the cake tin, pushing it up the sides. Spread the apple on top and scatter the raspberries on the top of that. Drop dobs of the remaining mixture over the top. Bake for 40-45 minutes. Allow the cake to firm before turning out. Sift icing sugar on top and serve with cream or ice cream and extra raspberries if serving as a dessert. Cook's tip A key to the success of this cake is to ensure that as much of the cooking liquid as possible is drained from the fruit before placing it on the cake batter. ⁠Caro: Spicy Tuna Pasta ⁠ "A Sunday night special. We all just made it and made it and made it..."

SIX QUICK QUESTIONS FOR RED ENERGY Red Energy. Moving home? Stress less and make the move to Red Energy. Call 131 806. Corrie to Caro: Which Australian institution have you spent far too much time at in recent weeks? Caro to Corrie: What might former First Lady Jill Biden regret Corrie to Caro: Which Australian actress recently burst onto your radar? Caro to Corrie: Which UK actress this week burst onto your radar Corrie to Caro: Why shouldn't James Hird coach Essendon again? Caro to Corrie: What’s your latest retail crush

BSF. BSF brought to us by Red Energy. Owned by Snowy Hydro, a leader in renewable energy. Switch to 100% Aussie owned Red Energy. BOOK: Caro: Three Reasons for Revenge by Dervla McTiernan SCREEN: Corrie: Margot’s Got Money Problems on Apple TV “This is hilarious, smart and has a lot of tenderness. It has universal topics as well.” FOOD: Sam Thompson’s Torta Caprese! Torta Caprese 4 eggs, separate 200g almonds ground 150g butter 150g sugar 150g good dark chocolate, melted 1 orange zest 1 tablespoon Cointreau Mix all together - yolks, sugar, butter, Cointreau- choc- add zest and almond meal Beat egg whites with a bit of sugar Fold in 350F (175) for 30-35 minutes Cool In tin for 90 min Icing sugar to coat

ON THIS EPISODE - Our review of Kylie, the Documentary - Corrie’s regional road trip - A wonderful cake recipe from Sam Thompson – National Radio Director at SEN - Some great recommendations for BSF – including a brilliant screen Corrie recently watched - Why has Caro been at so many RSL Clubs recently? Kylie, The Documentary On Netflix, directed by Michael Harte - What did we think - Why did she do it - Big surprises and shocks, highlight moments - Flaws - Has it changed our view of Kylie - What was our view of Kylie - How to explain the allure of Kylie - Interviewees - How our lives have followed Kylie/what it’s like for fans to grow old with a star - Why are celebrity docos so appealing? Ones that work and don’t work - What makes a good bio/autobio doco The Cocktail Cabinet: With Myles Thomson of Prince Winestore. 399: Grahams Six Grapes Reserve Port NV Laurent-Perrier La Cuvee Champagne NV Dockyard Gin Chatham Henschke Henrys Seven Shiraz Blend www.princewinestore.com.au 177 Bank Street, South Melb & Hansard Street, Zetland NSW & David Jones Food Hall, Castlereigh St Sydney BSF. BSF brought to us by Red Energy. Owned by Snowy Hydro, a leader in renewable energy. Switch to 100% Aussie owned Red Energy. BOOK: Caro: Three Reasons for Revenge by Dervla McTiernan SCREEN: Corrie: Margot’s Got Money Problems on Apple TV “This is hilarious, smart and has a lot of tenderness. It has universal topics as well.” FOOD: Sam Thompson’s Torta Caprese! Torta Caprese 4 eggs, separate 200g almonds ground 150g butter 150g sugar 150g good dark chocolate, melted 1 orange zest 1 tablespoon Cointreau Mix all together - yolks, sugar, butter, Cointreau- choc- add zest and almond meal Beat egg whites with a bit of sugar Fold in 350F (175) for 30-35 minutes Cool In tin for 90 min Icing sugar to coat SIX QUICK QUESTIONS FOR RED ENERGY Red Energy. Moving home? Stress less and make the move to Red Energy. Call 131 806. Corrie to Caro: Which Australian institution have you spent far too much time at in recent weeks? Caro to Corrie: What might former First Lady Jill Biden regret Corrie to Caro: Which Australian actress recently burst onto your radar? Caro to Corrie: Which UK actress this week burst onto your radar Corrie to Caro: Why shouldn't James Hird coach Essendon again? Caro to Corrie: What’s your latest retail crush

BSF - for Red Energy. Book: Caro – Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil Screen: Hutchy – ‘Michael’ / ‘The Lincoln Lawyer’ Food: Caro – Egg and bacon pie MOLLY KEANE'S NURSERY COOKING. EGG AND BACON PIE shortcrust pastry made with : 40z (100 g) (1 cup) plain flour pinch of salt 20z (50g) (¼ cup) butter, chopped 1 tbsp water 4 slices lean bacon, ruds removed, chopped 3 tomatoes, skinned and chopped 4 eggs salt and pepper milk for glazing Serves 3-4 Preheat the oven to 400°F (200°C) (Gas Mark 6). Make the pastry and divide into two-thirds and one-third. Roll the larger piece out on a lightly floured surface with a lightly floured rolling pin. Line a 6-inch (15-cm) flan ring. Mix the bacon and tomatoes together and scatter over the base of the pastry, leaving four spaces at even distances for the eggs. Break an egg into each space. Sprinkle with salt and pepper. Roll out the remaining pastry to make a lid. Damp the rim of the pastry lining the flan ring. Place the pastry lid on top and press the edges together to seal. Brush the pastry with a little milk and bake for 15 minutes, then lower the temperature to 350°F (180°C) (Gas Mark 4) and cook for a further 15-20 minutes. Serve warm or cold. OR: ⁠Old-fashioned egg & bacon pie⁠

How did the name 'Don't Shoot the Messenger' come about for this podcast? How this podcast came to be - and who was Hutchy's initial suggestion as co-host with Caro? Hutchy's memories working with Caro over the years - and their first go at podcast with a title that is being used for a Channel 7 TV show today... Caro and Hutchy reflect on some stories from the past and key figures in the AFL right now that have been in the spotlight for decades. The Brad Scott sacking... And how he was totally blindsided Journalism insincts - and the hunt for a story Hutchy's resilience after his departure from the Footy Show - Caro asks him some pointed questions! Hutchy reflects on the passing of his mother, when he was just 21 years old - the impact it had on him and how much he has loved hearing stories about his mother ever since her passing. Hutchy's role as a step father, which he sees as a gift. And the amazing influence Clare and the family has had on his life. The Cocktail Cabinet - with Myles Thomson from the Prince Wine Store. Gant & Co Cabernet Malbec 2022 Marchesi Alfieri La Tota Barbera d’Asti 2023 BSF - for Red Energy. Book: Caro – Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil Screen: Hutchy – ‘Michael’ / ‘The Lincoln Lawyer’ Food: Caro – Egg and bacon pie EGG AND BACON PIE shortcrust pastry made with : 40z (100 g) (1 cup) plain flour pinch of salt 20z (50g) (¼ cup) butter, chopped 1 tbsp water 4 slices lean bacon, ruds removed, chopped 3 tomatoes, skinned and chopped 4 eggs salt and pepper milk for glazing Serves 3-4 Preheat the oven to 400°F (200°C) (Gas Mark 6). Make the pastry and divide into two-thirds and one-third. Roll the larger piece out on a lightly floured surface with a lightly floured rolling pin. Line a 6-inch (15-cm) flan ring. Mix the bacon and tomatoes together and scatter over the base of the pastry, leaving four spaces at even distances for the eggs. Break an egg into each space. Sprinkle with salt and pepper. Roll out the remaining pastry to make a lid. Damp the rim of the pastry lining the flan ring. Place the pastry lid on top and press the edges together to seal. Brush the pastry with a little milk and bake for 15 minutes, then lower the temperature to 350°F (180°C) (Gas Mark 4) and cook for a further 15-20 minutes. Serve warm or cold. If you enjoy this podcast, please hit subscibe! And recommend us to your friends and family. And we love hearing from you! Feedback@dontshootpod.com.au Or find us on Instagram and Facebook @dontshootpod

BSF. BSF brought to us by Red Energy. Owned by Snowy Hydro, a leader in renewable energy. Switch to 100% Aussie owned Red Energy. BOOK: Corrie: The Artist by Lucy Steeds “What a wonderful book this is. I love an art mystery… And it ticks all the boxes. There are two things I love about this book. The three characters… And the way the author Lucy Steed writes about painting and the painting process” SCREEN: Corrie: In Vogue: The 90s on Disney “The 90s was a decade where fashion changed completely. I was absolutely enthralled. It looks at a moment when fashion changed forever. It’s a fantastic piece of work” FOOD: Caro: Steak with Peppercorn Sauce “It’s an absolute winter special. This is delicious…” Serves 6-8 Ingredients 1.4 kg mid section of eye fillet -ask your butcher to tie for even thickness. 20 gm ghee room temp, Salt and pepper Sauce au poivre Butcher trimmings of eye fillet 100ml white or rose wine 10g ghee 200ml of bone broth 25g of peppercorns, ½ fine, ½ granular 150ml full cream 2 large eschallots finely chopped salt to season 30g butter 1 tsp of red wine vinegar Small bunch of thyme, 3 sprigs of rosemary 2 tsp of dijon mustard Method Remove eye fillet from the fridge at least 60 mins before cooking, allow to come to room temperature. Salt as soon as you remove it from the fridge. Heat oven to 190℃. Heat skillet, rub ghee all over the fillet. Sear all sides of fillet (about 2 mins - generally 4 sides so the whole fillet is seared) Place the meat in a roasting dish and put in the oven for 20 minutes. Remove and cover in double foil and tea towel on top. Set aside for at least 90 minutes. Once meat has rested, add any juices to your sauce.. To make the sauce, coat meat trimmings in a teaspoon of the crushed peppercorns and saute in heated ghee in a heavy pan until the pan is well seasoned with the meat and pepper flavours, remove the meat pieces. Add butter and when melted add thyme and rosemary (you can tie them with kitchen string so they are easy to remove at the end of cooking). Add crushed peppercorns, stir, then add eschallots, salt, wine and stock, reduce a little. Finally add the cream, vinegar and mustard, then reduce to a perfect consistency and colour.

ON THIS EPISODE - Work Life balance weighing on working mothers - The dual role a hairdresser plays - Happy birthday to Cher! - A must listen podcast tip - Footy news with Caro ‘”Thanks, Mum, but I don’t want your life’ – is the load that buckled their mothers putting off Gen Z?” ⁠Article in The Age this week by Wendy Tuohy. ⁠ Stories from a Hairdresser When the hair salon/manicurist/pharmacist/bookshop owners becomes The Confidante – the impact on stylists’ mental health - How to equip young trainees in particular - Have you ever used the retail friend as best friend - In these times of increasing social isolation and alone-ness - Coincides with a national surge in people seeking the support of mental health professionals Findings from the 2020–2022 National Study of Mental Health and Wellbeing show that the number of psychology visits had jumped 123% since 2007. Shoutout for Prince Wine Store – MYLES returns next week! BSF. BSF brought to us by Red Energy. Owned by Snowy Hydro, a leader in renewable energy. Switch to 100% Aussie owned Red Energy. BOOK: Corrie: The Artist by Lucy Steeds “What a wonderful book this is. I love an art mystery… And it ticks all the boxes. There are two things I love about this book. The three characters… And the way the author Lucy Steed writes about painting and the painting process” SCREEN: Corrie: In Vogue: The 90s on Disney “The 90s was a decade where fashion changed completely. I was absolutely enthralled. It looks at a moment when fashion changed forever. It’s a fantastic piece of work” FOOD: Caro: Steak with Peppercorn Sauce (from Frog Hollow Kitchen) “It’s an absolute winter special. This is delicious…” Serves 6-8 Ingredients 1.4 kg mid section of eye fillet -ask your butcher to tie for even thickness. 20 gm ghee room temp, Salt and pepper Sauce au poivre Butcher trimmings of eye fillet 100ml white or rose wine 10g ghee 200ml of bone broth 25g of peppercorns, ½ fine, ½ granular 150ml full cream 2 large eschallots finely chopped salt to season 30g butter 1 tsp of red wine vinegar Small bunch of thyme, 3 sprigs of rosemary 2 tsp of dijon mustard Method Remove eye fillet from the fridge at least 60 mins before cooking, allow to come to room temperature. Salt as soon as you remove it from the fridge. Heat oven to 190℃. Heat skillet, rub ghee all over the fillet. Sear all sides of fillet (about 2 mins - generally 4 sides so the whole fillet is seared) Place the meat in a roasting dish and put in the oven for 20 minutes. Remove and cover in double foil and tea towel on top. Set aside for at least 90 minutes. Once meat has rested, add any juices to your sauce.. To make the sauce, coat meat trimmings in a teaspoon of the crushed peppercorns and saute in heated ghee in a heavy pan until the pan is well seasoned with the meat and pepper flavours, remove the meat pieces. Add butter and when melted add thyme and rosemary (you can tie them with kitchen string so they are easy to remove at the end of cooking). Add crushed peppercorns, stir, then add eschallots, salt, wine and stock, reduce a little. Finally add the cream, vinegar and mustard, then reduce to a perfect consistency and colour. SIX QUICK QUESTIONS FOR RED ENERGY Red Energy. Moving home? Stress less and make the move to Red Energy. Call 131 806. Caro to Corrie: Who might history judge as the man who forever changed the British Royal Family’s relationship with their subjects? Corrie to Caro: What dubious sponsor story continues to haunt the Geelong Football Club and AFL community? Caro to Corrie: Which podcast is this week’s must-listen tip? Corrie to Caro: What family saga won’t leave the AFL hierarchy in peace? Caro to Corrie: Who turns 80 this week and fully deserves our Happy Birthday wishes? Corrie to Caro: What weekend dates have you been counting down the days to?

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