Down the Rabbit Hole

This week, we're joined by friend, creative collaborator, and wildly talented musician Hannah Wicklund, for a conversation recorded from Edinburgh, Scotland. We celebrate the launch of her latest creative endeavor, the Strawberry Moon Tribune, a new print publication featuring contributions from Sam, Bri, and dozens of other creatives, and discuss the importance of creating spaces where artists can amplify one another's voices. We also dive into Hannah's remarkable self-made journey, from touring throughout her teens and twenties, to recently performing in Jimi Hendrix's London flat, to redefining her career on her own terms. Together, we explore creative reinvention, what real power looks like, and the importance of building what doesn't yet exist so we can create the lives, careers, and communities we truly want. A conversation about self-trust, collaboration, and the future possibilities once women begin relying on themselves and each other. Learn more about Hannah and follow along with her exciting new album release and magazine: www.hannahwicklund.com and on instagram @HannahWicklund Join our community or come on one of our upcoming global retreats at www.TheBodyistheBlueprint.com and on instagram @thebodyistheblueprint Sam's work: www.Srueterart.com | www.substack.com/@sruetercreates | @sruetercreates Bri's work: www.ArtbyBri.com | @artbybri 00:00 Hannah's Musical Journey and Accolades 06:25 Connections and Bonding Experiences 09:14 Finding Balance in Touring and Health 12:50 The Creative Process: Cocoon Phase and Authenticity 17:36 Uncovering Industry Challenges and Female Empowerment 20:52 The Dark Side of Fame 25:50 Breaking Free from the Industry's Chains 27:36 Reclaiming Power and Control 31:42 Trusting Yourself in a Corrupt System 36:16 Redefining Power and Wealth 38:14 Perseverance and Optimism in Adversity 39:15 Creative Collaboration and Community Building 40:20 The Power of Uplifting Others 43:47 The Importance of Connection and Shared Experiences 48:00 Navigating Personal Growth and Female Empowerment 48:51 The Intentionality Behind Art and Music 52:20 Rolling Out New Music with Purpose

We're recording live from Ledger Studio in Paris while we prepare to lead a creative retreat, reflecting on the strange and beautiful paths that creativity can pull us down when we actually listen to it, and follow the threads. In this episode, we share a few ridiculous moments from life on the road, the unexpected places creativity has taken us, and how learning to trust your intuition can completely reshape both your art and your life. We explore what it means to follow the thread as artists, even when the next step doesn't fully make sense yet, and how that willingness can lead to the most unexpected places. 00:00 Welcome to Paris: Setting the Scene 01:51 The Reality of Travel: Glamour vs. Exhaustion 05:56 Creativity and Intuition: Following the Threads 09:06 Micro Decisions: The Power of Small Choices 11:53 Trusting Your Intuition: The Creative Journey 15:04 Origin Stories: The Importance of Your Journey 17:43 Rediscovering the Artistic Thread 20:44 The Impact of Travel on Artistic Growth 25:42 The Power of Following Intuition 31:02 Embracing the Unconventional Journey 38:27 Healing Through Ritual and Community

This episode explores how fear is embedded into the systems that shape our lives....and who benefits from it. Sam and Bri talk about how fear influences major life transitions, creativity, relationships, influencer culture, capitalism, and even the stories we inherit from past generations. From compliance culture to codependency, we unpack how insecurity is often reinforced because it keeps us consuming, comparing, and doubting ourselves. They talk very personally about their own visbility wounds, relationship patterns, and fears. They also explore how platonic relationships, individual healing, astrology, and creativity help us step outside of fear-based thinking and reclaim agency. Because when we become aware of how fear operates, we stop participating in it — and start building lives rooted in trust, self-expression, and empowerment. Bonus conversations include: What the hell are men spending their money on? How can women be gold diggers if there's no gold? Cathartic scream-singing sessions in cars, very invasive dermotoligst appointments... And more! This conversation is about recognizing the systems that profit from our insecurity… and choosing something different. 00:00 Moving and Life Transitions 05:51 Art, Community, and Emotional Release 10:49 Fear and Compliance Culture 14:53 Creativity, Self-Expression, and Societal Expectations 24:25 Navigating Capitalism and Insecurity Culture 32:18 The Role of Women in Influencer Culture 39:44 Inheritance Culture and Generational Narratives 50:54 Fear in Relational Culture and Self-Worth 55:57 The Impact of Codependency on Relationships 01:01:05 The Importance of Platonic Relationships 01:06:25 The Role of Individual Healing in Collective Change 01:14:14 Astrology as a Tool for Understanding Life 01:19:40 Harnessing Whimsy and Creativity for Empowerment

In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole, Sam and Bri spiral (naturally) from creative retreats to Parisian art history to jujitsu mats and, somehow, swords. At the heart of the conversation is their shared belief that creative retreats are not indulgent escapes — they're a return. A way to refill the creative well. A way to remember who you are outside of productivity, partnership, motherhood, performance. They reflect on the power of gathering women in wild landscapes — the wildlife encounters, the preparedness, the reverence for nature — and how being outside strips away hierarchy. They talk about what actually happens when women gather intentionally and the collective healing that occurs when roles are set down and masks come off. Eventually they can't help themselves and widen the lens to talk about male-on-male validation — how many men are conditioned to perform strength for one another rather than offer emotional safety. They unpack how patriarchy harms men too, boxing them into rigid expressions of masculinity where validation comes from dominance, status, or suppression of feeling. This is where the conversation takes a delightfully unexpected turn into stories about swords and jujitsu. Bri recounts her infamous "ringworm modeling gig" (yes, really), you need to hear it. 00:00 Welcome to the Retreat Planning Adventure 01:33 Exploring the Magic of the Tetons 03:55 The Power of Community and Connection 09:21 Wildlife Encounters and Nature's Beauty 13:55 Preparing for Outdoor Adventures 18:17 The Importance of Collective Healing 23:12 Breaking Down Barriers Among Women 26:29 The Power of Communal Care 28:25 Transformative Moments in Retreats 31:54 Recalibrating Relationships After Retreats 34:48 The Importance of Women-Only Spaces 37:53 Men's Need for Introspective Spaces 41:10 Exploring Intimacy and Vulnerability in Men 43:02 Finding Safety in Community 46:23 The Contrast of Experiences 50:07 The Journey of Self-Discovery Through New Activities

In this episode, Sam and Bri unpack the collective grief and rage many women are carrying, using Renee Good's killing to name the quiet power dynamics women navigate every day. They dive into feminism, masculinity, and their privilege as white women, while also reminding listeners to look for the collective good still alive in the world. From there, heading directly into self work, emotional capacity, attachment styles, and the necessity of learning to receive. Sam reflects on a retreat that taught her to make fewer decisions and soften into receptivity. They dive into shadow work as women, the traits they were taught to hide, like anger, intensity, or "too muchness," and how those buried parts are often the very source of strength. By reclaiming their shadows, they reframe sensitivity, fire, and weirdness as tools for building a more honest, connected future. Bonus conversations about grave robbing in art, the wolves of the sawtooth pack, the power of astrology, and not making politicians your favorite celebrity. Subscribe, like and review to help us push the podcast forward! 00:00 Welcome to Our First Remote Episode 00:14 The Emotional Weight of Change 05:51 Navigating Privilege and Responsibility 08:50 The Impact of Recent Events 14:14 Community Action and Advocacy 20:33 The Weight of Fear: Women's Experiences with Aggression 27:16 Political Discourse: The Need for Emotional Intelligence 32:55 The Importance of Community and Self-Care 39:44 Navigating Attachment Styles 41:13 The Importance of Community 43:31 Cosmic Leadership and Astrology 46:18 Embracing Our Shadows 49:27 The Role of Artists in Society 55:14 Deep Dives: Anatomy and Art 56:42 Exploring the Connection with Wolves

In this light-hearted episode, Bri and Sam discuss their issue with the New Year being too pressurized, fun memories and traditions of the New Year, and how the choose to set goals. They each give each other insight to the lessons they've learned: from breaking toxic relationship patterns to leaning in to self trust as a single woman. This episode focus on taking moments of gratitude and reflection for all that's happened this year.

In this episode, we're joined by our friend and pelvic floor physical therapist, Dr. Kayleigh, and we go way down the rabbit hole on chronic conditions, the body keeping the score, and what it can look like to learn how to heal your own body from the inside out. We get radically honest about our personal medical stories: endometriosis, appendicitis, chronic constipation, and even peeing ourselves while running—and how each experience has shaped our relationship to our bodies. Dr. Kayleigh offers invaluable insight from the provider perspective, reminding us what's possible when you have a clinician who truly listens. Together, we talk about bodily trauma, injury, the nervous system, and the practices we've implemented over the years to reconnect with our bodies instead of abandoning them. We also explore what it really means to advocate for yourself in medical spaces, especially when your symptoms are minimized or misunderstood. It's equal parts validating, educational, and deeply human: a conversation for anyone who's ever felt betrayed by their body, or is trying to find their way back home to it.... and for anyone who cannot poop while on vacation If you know someone struggling with a chronic illness, please send this to them! And as always, please rate, review and subscribe x 00:00 Silly Goose Conversations and Lighthearted Banter 02:00 Exploring the Body's Wisdom and Childhood Experiences 10:38 The Connection Between Pain and Memory 19:40 The Role of Pelvic Floor Therapy 19:59 Cystitis and Bladder Health 27:01 The Importance of Holistic Approaches 35:30 Breathwork and the Nervous System 43:19 Understanding Pelvic Floor Dynamics 48:38 Navigating Healthcare: Cash vs. Insurance 50:06 Empowerment Through Self-Care 56:25 Creating Supportive Spaces for Healing 01:01:24 The Flow of Creativity and Movement 01:10:11 Understanding Hormonal Influences on Mood 01:13:12 Cultural Reflections: Taylor Swift's Engagement 01:23:11 Exploring the Depths of Performance Art

Can men and women really just be friends? In this conversation, Bri and Sam unpack the intricate dynamics of platonic relationships across gender lines. They explore the nuance of power imbalances between men and women, sharing personal experiences of feeling unsafe and the ways these dynamics shape our interactions… even in friendships. From the tension between genuine connection and underlying sexual chemistry to the question of whether true platonic friendship can exist when power differentials are at play… Bri and Sam get vulnerable about the moments they've felt their boundaries tested, the subtle and not-so-subtle ways gender influences every relationship, and how they're learning to navigate these complexities with honesty and awareness, while still remaining open

Sam and Bri talk about the messiness of transition, living between homes and lives, and leaning on the help you didn't have to ask for.

Sam and Bri talk academic rejection, career validation, burning paintings, falling studio ceilings, and wrestling the tension between deeper work and social media.