LIMINAL—3: The Waves within Waves
From Finding Our Way by Jesse James Garrett and Peter Merholz
April 10, 2026 · 48 min
About this episode
Jesse and Peter discuss discernment and collective action during uncertain times using a surfing metaphor.
Jesse's surfing metaphor opens a conversation about discernment and collective action in the liminal moment. Peter and Jesse explore why not every wave is yours to catch, how to find fellow travelers across functions and beyond your organization, and why sustainable pace — not anxious intensity — is what keeps leaders navigating when uncertainty has no end date.
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Hosts: Jesse James Garrett, Peter Merholz
Topics covered
- surfing metaphor
- discernment
- collective action
- sustainable pace
- leadership
- uncertainty
Keywords
- surfing
- collective action
- leadership
- uncertainty
- sustainable pace
- discernment
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