Grown & Growing by Keion and Shaunie Henderson

Can something as simple as slowing down change your life—or your relationship? On this episode of Grown and Growing, Keion Henderson and Shaunie Henderson dive headfirst into how America’s obsession with hustle is creating a craving for slower, more intentional moments—often found on the golf course. From pandemic burnout to the curious language of golf, nothing is off-limits in this hilarious, honest, and relatable conversation. You’ll laugh, nod along, and maybe rethink how you wind down (or how you support your partner’s passion). What you’ll discover: Why golf is booming in the era of burnout and digital overload The real reason slowing down is saving more than just your swing—it’s saving marriages Unexpected (and hilarious) secrets behind golf’s wild lingo How partners negotiate passion, patience, and quality time Why supporting each other’s hobbies can be complicated—and sometimes comical If you’ve ever clashed over hobbies, questioned your partner’s obsessions, or wondered how to balance connection with independence, this episode will leave you thinking and grinning. Don’t miss the next real, raw conversation—make sure to subscribe! Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:08 - Golf and Slower Lifestyles 01:10 - Teasing the Episode Topic 01:47 - Burnout and Intentional Living 02:38 - Attitudes Toward Golf 03:40 - Golf’s Pandemic Surge 04:55 - COVID, Stress, and Golf Relief 05:53 - Golf Obsession in Daily Life 06:34 - Golf Language and Humor 07:24 - Relationship Tension Over Golf 08:00 - Playful Debate: Golf vs. Marriage 10:10 - Golf as Sanctuary 11:19 - Golf’s Popularity and Marriage 12:13 - Why Wives Hate Golf 13:14 - Restaurant vs. Golf Time 14:30 - Quality Time and New Beginnings 15:35 - Golf Store "Dates" 17:19 - Separating Golf From Marriage 21:06 - Vacation, Golf, and Compromise 23:23 - Birthday Traditions and Resentment 23:39 - Outro/Closing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As sought-after public figures, Keion and Shaunie maneuver sharing the spotlight in marriage and business. The cultural and religious superstars illuminate how they tag team and complement each other in work and life: Keion tends to assume a “visionary” big-picture role while Shaunie typically functions as a detail-oriented “facilitator.” In this episode, the Hendersons unpack why “competition isn’t good for the house” and how to keep “business baggage out of the bedroom.” As leaders at church and at home, they’ve learned to swap visionary-facilitator roles based on what their partner needs. Tips and advice include how to set boundaries between work and home, why communicating crucial decisions with your partner early on helps them trust the final outcome, and why it’s important not to “split the negative” but share both successes and failures. It takes growth on the inside to not only share the spotlight with your partner but to help each other shine. Above all, Keion reminds us that “You cannot share the spotlight without also sharing the darkness.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Parenting is one of the toughest jobs in the world. Keion and Shaunie agree that while parents can be friendly with children, attempting to be friends undermines the parental role. Believing that kids need guidance, Shaunie critiques the concept of “gentle parenting,” and emphasizes the importance of creating structure for children. She also reflects on her parenting style, acknowledging that she overcompensates in areas where her parents fell short. Keion cautions against “parenting out of regret” and stresses that developing a healthy relationship with your child requires finding a balance between functioning as both a “cheerleader” and a “principal” to your child. In this episode, we learn how to instill healthy fear and respect in our children, why the vulnerability required for friendship is incompatible with the parent-child dynamic, and unpack the link between parenting and trauma. Ultimately Shaunie and Keion conclude that boundaries must evolve as children mature because fear must evolve into respect. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Keion and Shaunie tackle the age-old question: “Can men and women be just friends?” Shaunie raises concerns about the potential for infidelity and the need for setting healthy boundaries. Keion emphasizes the importance of using wisdom: while it’s okay to have friends of the opposite sex, your partner should always be your “safe space” and the person you confide in. They also touch on the idea of remaining friends with exes and the importance of closure before entering a new relationship. In this episode learn why presentation matters when introducing a friend of the opposite sex to your partner, how to ward off potential threats to your relationship, and why respect and transparency are major keys to securing your relationship. Keion believes a healthy relationship requires both partners committing to growing past their insecurities, and dealing with the reality that no one can be everything to their partner. In short, they agree that our relational triggers and trauma will always be a bigger threat to our relationships than any friend of the opposite sex could ever be. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There’s a certain stigma that accompanies being single in church. Our dynamic hosts get into why presenting marriage as the gold standard for relationships might undermine the benefits of being “saved and single.” Keion reminds us that the consequences for not living a righteous life aren’t reserved for the single members of the church. Shaunie opens up about her experience in the dating pool after her divorce. And she cautions single christians against dating without a goal. In this episode, we learn why there’s a difference between loneliness and being alone, how both marriage and singleness are fulfilling paths, and why enjoying your alone time is crucial to a healthy and happy marriage (should you choose it!). Who you are as a single person has a profound impact on how you show up in marriage. As Keion says, “successful marriages aren't made up of two halves, but two whole people.” Above all else, Keion and Shaunie remind us that no matter your relationship status–single or married, satisfied or seeking–God sees you, values you, and loves you right where you are. For further growth, check out: 7 Myths About Singleness by Sam Allberry! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Despite differing communication styles, Keion and Shaunie are committed to a relationship based on respect and mutual growth. She’s a self-described “winger” who is used to going at it alone. He’s a planner and delegator who usually has a clear vision. In this episode, they get into why men experience anxiety when they hear “We need to talk.” And why when men say “Let’s talk,” they tend to have a goal and solution in mind, while when women say it there’s often a deeper reason for the conversation. Guided by the first of Don Miguel Ruiz's four agreements – "be impeccable with your word" – "the faith guy" and "the culture lady" break down how to avoid having “jaded conversations” and honor your partner with the commitment and promise of healthy communication instead. Tips and advice include how to “solve communication knots,” how to save your man from awkward moments, and how to talk things out when someone utters the dreaded phrase. Ultimately, because “Growth is an inside job,” it takes talking to truly “grow with each other in real time,” as Shaunie reminds us. For further growth, check out: The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz and The Shift by Pastor Keion Henderson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Shaunie and Keion Henderson know firsthand that co-parenting isn’t an overnight success. From witnessing their parents’ unhealthy co-parenting as children to learning to co-parent as divorced adults, the Hendersons may not be experts but they are experienced. In this episode, they provide suggestions for how to sidestep pitfalls and offer a healthy alternative to blending a family. Shaunie recalls how her mother’s emotions put a strain on her relationship with her half-siblings. And Keion explains what it was like to be the child caught between parents in a blended family. The two talk about why “co-parenting isn’t about you,” how to “protect your child from the pressure to pick a side,” and why it's important as parents to deal with your trauma. Sharing candidly from their own experiences, Shaunie and Keion elaborate on how planting seeds of love requires growth on the inside. “The parents' decisions create the conditions for healthy or unhealthy co-parenting,” Keion says. He asserts that what you bring into a blended family (the seeds) “always survives the blend.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices