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Hope + Help for PTS Care with Neal Grogan
Apr 29, 2026
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Hope + Help for Anxiety with Josh Weidmann
Mar 25, 2026
40m 02s
Hope + Help for After Divorce with Vaneetha Rendall Risner
Feb 25, 2026
36m 17s
Hope + Help for Understanding Emotions with Brian Borgman
Jan 29, 2026
39m 58s
Hope + Help for Wise Counsel with 2025 Summer Institute Speakers
Dec 26, 2025
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| 4/29/26 | ![]() Hope + Help for PTS Care with Neal Grogan | This interview serves to introduce IBCD's newest observation case study series—"Counseling Care for Post-Traumatic Stress"—which is now available exclusively on IBCD Connect. Learn more and subscribe today at https://connect.ibcd.org/library/counseling-care-for-pts-243950/756180/about ••• In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Neal Grogan about the topic of post-traumatic stress care. During the conversation, Neal shares his personal journey through trauma, his ministry work with Mighty Oaks Foundation (https://www.mightyoaksprograms.org), and a practical biblical counseling framework for walking alongside those who suffer from PTS. Neal also offers suggestions for avoiding common pitfalls in this soul care context, and highlights the importance of fostering hope through biblical principles. This interview serves to introduce IBCD's newest observation case study series—"Counseling Care for Post-Traumatic Stress"—which is now available exclusively on IBCD Connect. View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/pts-care-neal-grogan The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 3/25/26 | ![]() Hope + Help for Anxiety with Josh Weidmann✨ | anxietybiblical perspective+3 | Josh Weidmann | The End of Anxiety: The Biblical Prescription for Overcoming Fear, Worry, and PanicHope + Help for Anxiety+4 | — | fearworry+3 | — | 40m 02s | |
| 2/25/26 | ![]() Hope + Help for After Divorce with Vaneetha Rendall Risner✨ | divorceemotional healing+3 | Vaneetha Rendall Risner | This Was Never the Plan: Walking with God Through the Heartache of Divorcethe Hope + Help Podcast+5 | — | griefanger+5 | — | 36m 17s | |
| 1/29/26 | ![]() Hope + Help for Understanding Emotions with Brian Borgman✨ | emotionsChristian life+1 | Brian Borgman | Feelings & FaithHope + Help for Understanding Emotions+5 | — | Feelings & Faithemotional maturity+2 | — | 39m 58s | |
| 12/26/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Wise Counsel with 2025 Summer Institute Speakers✨ | wise counselbiblical wisdom+2 | Jim NewheiserScott Mehl+7 | Hope + Help for Wise Counselthe Hope + Help Podcast+4 | — | local churchChrist-centered wisdom+2 | — | 41m 40s | |
| 11/15/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Repentance with Keith Evans✨ | repentanceChristian faith+3 | Keith Evans | Hope + Help for Repentancethe Hope + Help Podcast+2 | — | apologygift of repentance+3 | — | 40m 05s | |
| 10/20/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Reproductive Loss with Tanya Flores✨ | reproductive lossmiscarriage+6 | Tanya Flores | Hope + Help for Reproductive Lossthe Hope + Help Podcast+3 | — | grief supportChrist-centered counseling+2 | — | 39m 50s | |
| 9/22/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Setting Boundaries with Jim Newheiser✨ | boundariesChristianity+3 | Jim Newheiser | Do I Need Boundaries?Hope + Help for Setting Boundaries+5 | — | limitationsjoy+5 | — | 38m 00s | |
| 8/12/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Living Wisely with Zack Eswine✨ | wisdomprayer+3 | Zack Eswine | Wiser with JesusHope + Help for Living Wisely+5 | — | living wiselyrelational wisdom+2 | — | 50m 45s | |
| 6/24/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Soul Refreshment with Heather Nelson✨ | soul refreshmentrest+3 | Heather Nelson | Rest: Creating Space for Soul RefreshmentHope + Help for Soul Refreshment+3 | — | Christian lifejoylessness+2 | — | 29m 19s | |
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| 5/13/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Wayward Children with Stuart Scott✨ | wayward childrenparenting+3 | Stuart Scott | Wayward Children: Finding Peace, Keeping HopeHope + Help for Wayward Children+3 | — | biblical counselingchurch+2 | — | 43m 12s | |
| 4/14/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Preparing for Glory with Elizabeth Turnage | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Elizabeth Turnage about her book, Preparing for Glory: Biblical Answers to 40 Questions on Living and Dying in Hope of Heaven. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What is glory, and why do we need to prepare for it? • What happens to us when we die? • What will life be like in the new heavens and the new earth? • Is there an “art” to dying? • What do sickness and death say about the strength of our faith? • What is anticipatory grief? • What is lament, and how does it help us to face dying and death? • How does prayer prepare us for glory? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/preparing-for-glory-turnage The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 3/13/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Listening Well with Joe Hussung | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Joe Hussung about his book, Learning to Listen: Essential Skills for Every Counselor. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • Why is listening well an important component of loving people well? • What makes listening well an essential skill for biblical counselors? • What role does posture, purpose, and practice have in our ability to listen well in counseling sessions? • What Christlike characteristics do we mimic when we listen well to the people we're caring for? • What difference does body language and tone of voice make in a counseling session? • How does personal preparation ahead of a counseling session impact our ability to listen well during it? • What makes asking good questions a key component to listening well to our counselees? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/listening-well-joe-hussung The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 2/8/25 | ![]() Hope + Help for Engaging Mental Disorder Diagnosis with Jenn Chen | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Jenn Chen about her book, Biblical Counseling and Mental Disorder Diagnosis. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What is the difference between the terms “mental disorder” and “mental illness?” • In what ways might a disorder diagnosis impact a sufferer’s perception of themselves and their world? • How does identity in Christ offer hope to those who have been diagnosed with a mental disorder? • How can we think about our “goal” and “role” as biblical counselors (or disciplers) when it comes to walking with someone who’s been diagnosed with a mental disorder? • How does considering a person’s fallenness, finitude, fragility, and faltering empower caregivers to minister God’s Word to a sufferer’s experience in a meaningful, relevant way? View the full show notes & links for this episode: https://ibcd.org/mental-diagnosis-jenn-chen/ The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 11/14/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Depression with Ed Welch | Donate today in support of this podcast! Help IBCD hit its year-end fundraising goal of $30,000 by sending a financial gift of any amount by 12/31/2024. Give at https://ibcd.org/donate - THANK YOU! In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Ed Welch about his book, Depression: Finding Christ in the Darkness. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • In what way does Jesus welcome those who are experiencing depression? • Why is it true that "faith can feel good, and faith can feel horrible," and how might this comfort a despondent heart? • How does the gospel offer hope to those who fear that healing and change will never come? • How might hopelessness "be anxiety that is exhausted"? • How can we broach the topic of confession in such a way that is productive for the sufferer? • How might sufferers take aim at hopelessness by taking part in God's "family business"? • Why is it true that "God must fight [the sufferer's] battle" and what makes this a reality they can rest in? View the full show notes & links for this episode: https://ibcd.org/depression-ed-welch The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit https://ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 10/16/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Unanswered Prayer with Ste Casey | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Ste Casey about his book, I Prayed and Nothing Changed: What God is Up to in the Silence. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What makes unanswered prayer a "strange double sorrow" for believers? • Why is it important to "fight for sight" in seasons where God seems unresponsive to our prayers? • How does Paul's testimony in 2 Corinthians 12 help us to process the fact that God is still good even when "he gives pain to those he loves"? • In what ways might unanswered prayer be God's way of keeping us from "soul-destroying self sufficiency"? • What are some of the voices we hear in our suffering and how might they negatively influence the way we interpret God’s apparent silence? • How might asking a "magic-button question" help biblical counselors to engage and encourage those living with unanswered prayer? • How might we engage a fatalistic attitude toward prayer? View the full show notes & links for this episode: https://ibcd.org/unanswered-prayer-ste-casey The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit https://ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 9/16/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Children and Identity with Jonathan Holmes | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Jonathan Holmes about his book, Grounded in Grace: Helping Kids Build Their Identity in Christ. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What is meant when the term "identity" is used in everyday conversation? • What positive role can parents or caregivers play in the formation of a child’s identity? How might parents or caregivers negatively influence it? • How has the concept of personal identity evolved over the years? • What are five different yet common areas where kids tend to struggle with their identity? • How do the Scriptures speak to the problem of a child grounding their identity in their academic performance? • Why is it good news that our identity is ultimately “something we receive, not something we achieve?” • Why is it important to "connect before [we] correct" when it comes to having identity-related conversations with our children? • What role does the local church play in helping children learn how to base their identity in Christ? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/children-identity-jonathan-holmes The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 8/12/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Perfectionism with Jeremy Pierre | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Jeremy Pierre about the topic of perfectionism. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What is meant by the term "perfectionism?" • How might perfectionism manifest in a person's life? • What are some of the physical, relational, emotional, and spiritual impacts of perfectionism in our lives? • How does the gospel of Jesus Christ minister to those whose perfectionistic ideals have driven them to total exhaustion? • How is perfectionism a reflection of impatience towards God? • If someone has experienced a bent toward perfectionism for most of their lives, what might the change process look like for them? • If there is someone listening to this conversation who wants to help a friend or family member who’s struggling with this kind of thinking, what are some meaningful ways they could offer support and encouragement? • What role does the local church play in helping those who desire to break free from the bondage of perfectionism? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/perfectionism-jeremy-pierre The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 6/3/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Waiting on God with Mark Vroegop | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Mark Vroegop on his latest book, Waiting Isn't a Waste: The Surprising Comfort of Trusting God in the Uncertainties of Life. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • Why do we seem to have a natural aversion to waiting? • How do the Scriptures help us build a robust understanding of what "waiting" is? • What are some unhelpful ways we might respond to situations that require us to wait? • What are six aspects of waiting that are helpful for believers to reflect deeply upon? • What are biblical four principals we can apply when we find ourselves in a situation that requires us to wait? • What role do our expectations have in our struggles with impatience? • In what ways does viewing our waiting as an intentional choice benefit us and honor the Lord? • How does the gospel offer encouragement to someone who feels like their waiting is a waste of time? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/waiting-mark-vroegop The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 5/20/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Redeeming Sex in Marriage with Scott Mehl | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Scott Mehl about his book, Redeeming Sex in Marriage: How the Gospel Rescues Sex, Transforms Marriage, and Reveals the Glory of God. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • Why might the topic of sex be such a difficult one for husbands and wives to discuss together? • What are some prevailing views about sex—both inside and outside the church—that have distorted God’s good design for sexual intimacy? • Why is it important to build a solid theological foundation of God’s design for sex? • What are five fundamental purposes of God’s design for sex in marriage? • Why does sex in marriage seem so difficult and complicated? • How does observing the life of Jesus help us to see God’s intention to redeem, bless, and honor the sexually broken? • Why is it important to consider the emotional, spiritual, and mental aspects of our personhood in addition to the physical aspects of sex? • What makes sex in marriage a “journey?” View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/redeeming-sex-scott-mehl The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 4/29/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Church Hurt with Megan Hill | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Megan Hill about her newest book, Sighing on Sunday: 40 Meditations for When Church Hurts. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What are some reasons that church may feel like a sad or difficult place to be? • What are some of the unhelpful ways to respond to a person’s story of hurt in the church? • In what ways might our trust in God be shaken as a result of our church-related pain? • How do the Scriptures help us to interpret and process our church-related hurts? • What are some practical ways we can respond to the grief we feel in these particular situations? • How does looking to Christ’s relationship with his church offer us wisdom and hope in the midst of church hurt? • Where can we find biblical narratives of church hurt in the Scriptures, and what guidance do they have to offer us? • In what ways can the members of the local church support those who have experienced church hurt in the past? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/megan-hill-church-hurt The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 4/15/24 | ![]() 5th Anniversary Episode with Christine Chappell | In this episode, host Christine Chappell reflects on five years of Hope + Help Podcast conversations and shares clips from past interviews with guests who are also speaking at this year’s Summer Institute & Pre-Conference in La Mesa, CA on June 20th-22nd. For links to the podcasts, books, events, and additional resources mentioned in this episode, visit our complete show notes at https://ibcd.org/5th-anniversary-episode-of-the-hope-help-podcast/ | — | ||||||
| 3/25/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Pornography and Marriage with Curtis & Jenny Solomon | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Curtis and Jenny Solomon about their respective books, Redeem Your Marriage: Hope for Husbands Who Have Hurt through Pornography and Reclaim Your Marriage: Grace for Wives Who Have Been Hurt by Pornography. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What are common views some husbands might have regarding the use of pornographic materials? How do these views contrast with a biblical understanding of sexual sin? • What are some common initial responses a wife might have after learning of her husband's pornography use? • What role does lament and repentance play in the life of a husband who has confessed his use of pornography? • How can we comfort a wife whose husband does not view his pornography use as detrimental to their relationship or hurtful to her? • What makes a husband's wife his "second greatest ally" in the fight against porn? • Does a wife hold the "keys" to her husband's freedom from sexual sin? • How do the Scriptures encourage women whose husbands are making imperfect yet earnest attempts to break free from pornography use? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/pornography-marriage-curtis-jenny-solomon The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 3/11/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Deeper Friendships with Brad Hambrick | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Brad Hambrick about his book, Transformative Friendships: 7 Questions to Deepen Any Relationship. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • What makes a biblical view on friendship distinct from popular understanding? • What are some reasons we might struggle to enjoy or pursue meaningful relationships, even within the body of Christ? • What kinds of questions can we ask ourselves as we seek to nourish friendships with wisdom and intentionality? • How can we best enjoy our friendships, whatever depth they may be at? • How might exploring "what's fun" together in friendships be helpful? How might it lead to the friendship "stalling out?" • How can the local church promote the cultivation of transformative friendships? • What hope and help does the gospel offer to the person who is struggling to experience meaningful friendships in their life? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/deeper-friendships-brad-hambrick The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
| 2/19/24 | ![]() Hope + Help for Christian Dads with Tom Sugimura | In this episode of the Hope + Help Podcast, host Christine Chappell interviews Tom Sugimura about his book, Hope for New Dads: 40 Days in the Book of Proverbs. Some of the questions addressed in this interview are: • How do secular attitudes about fatherhood contrast with a biblical view of this God-given role? • How does the gospel offer encouragement for the dad who did not have a godly father or role-model in their life? • What is "fear of the Lord" and what is it's relevance to Christian fathers? • Why is it important to help our children look at their decision-making through a God-centered lens? • Are the proverbs to be viewed by Christian dads as a book of promises? • What can it look like for a Christian father to be intentional about the love he displays for his children? • What are some ways the local church can improve upon their support and discipleship of fathers? • What encouragement does the gospel offer to the father who is unsure about his ability to be a godly dad? View the full show notes & links for this episode: ibcd.org/dads-proverbs-tom-sugimura The Hope + Help Podcast offers biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by Christine Chappell. To learn more about the show and to access helpful resources, visit ibcd.org/hopeandhelp. Connect with host Christine Chappell at https://christinemchappell.com. IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast is available on most podcast streaming platforms, so please don't keep the show a secret! If you know someone walking through a challenging season of life, please share the Hope + Help Podcast with them. | — | ||||||
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